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[TC] Tome of Shifting Words Analysis Braindump

Unread postby Komma Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:45 am

With the progression race over and even a new expansion announced, things have slowed down enough to do a bit more math on things. Not much mathematical analysis has been done on the current tier trinkets. Of the two main trinkets, Tome of Shifting Words (ToSW) is getting less attention than the Prophecy of Fear, so I decided to put some thought into it.

This isn't going to be a structured post. Instead, It's going to be a cluttered, confusing piece of writing, since it's mostly a braindump. It's just meant to list key points that will affect our spell usage with the trinket. The goal is to eventually build an APL out of these observations and conclusions. I settled for a format that follows a cycle of "Claim -> Proof -> Observations".


Claim 1: When Arcane Power is not active, ToSW is worthless and equivalent to not having a second trinket.
Proof: Read the tooltip.
Observations: The key point to make here is that ToSW is a trinket that focuses all power gain within the duration of Arcane Power, which has a base uptime of 15/90 = 16.67%. This also means that our choice of spells during Arcane Power is very important, because every second of Arcane Power really counts. Another conclusion is that ToSW should increase the value of Overpowered relative to the other two talents. The damage gain isn't linear with Arcane Power's duration increase though, due to falling mana levels and reduced mastery benefits.


Claim 2: Assuming buffs stay constant, at 4 Arcane Charges and below 93% mana, the sequence "AM -> AB" always produces higher DPS than "AB -> AM".
Proof: AB4 costs 10% mana, 9% with the class trinket. AB->AM leads to the AM being casted at lower mana levels. On the other hand, casting AM first allows 3.6% mana regen over the duration, with AB casted at a higher mana level. Due to being <93% mana, we can guarantee that mana capping will not occur, which means that both options will end at the same mana level for remaining spells.
In addition, AM casted first allows a chance to trigger 4T18 for Temporal Power buffs.

Corollary: If Arcane Missiles is casted during the burn phase, then casting it as early as possible without mana capping will result in the best damage done.
Proof: By induction. If AM->AB is preferable to AB->AM, then AM->AB->AB is preferable to AB->AB->AM, and so on.

Observations: During a burn phase, if Arcane Missiles will be casted at some point, it is always better to cast it as soon as possible. This allows the remaining spells to be casted at a higher mana level and benefit from potential Temporal Power buffs, dealing more overall damage.
The significance of this is that it simplifies "how should I use AM" to "whether I should use AM". It's clear that IF you are casting AM, you want to cast it early. The remaining issue is determining when and when not to use it.


Claim 3: With Overpowered, the optimal strategy is to ALWAYS use Arcane Missiles as soon as possible without mana capping.
Proof: The key constraint of ToSW's optimal usage is the limited duration on AP. Arcane Missiles has a base cast time of 2.0 seconds, which is reduced by haste. Since it adds 2.0 seconds to Arcane Power, this means that Arcane Missiles always adds more time to Arcane Power than it spends. This means more time for Arcane Blasts, which feeds into additional gains from the trinket.
Observation: That this might not play well with the 15 second duration of Nithramus, since it dilutes the contribution from ToSW over a longer period of time.


Claim 4: Tome of Shifting Words leads to a (almost) strictly mana negative burn phase.
Proof: Default burn phase is mana negative already, and ToSW increases the cast speed of Arcane Blast without decreasing mana costs or increasing regen rate. Arcane Blast with normal Tome allows (1.8*1.8*(1-0.2744825)) ~= 2.35% mana regen over its cast. It would require at least 2AM casts before the cost of 1 AB4, which costs 9% mana with Arcane Power, would be regenerated. Since AB can only proc 1 AM per cast, beyond an initial dump of AMs, the mana curve during burn is strictly negative.
Observation: This is important to reaffirm and establish. Combining it with observation #2, this means we can make a rough assumption: Each additional spell will be casted at a lower mana level, doing less damage than before. This corresponds with a strictly decreasing DPS curve, which means we can use a greedy approach for rotation optimization, always choosing the spell that gives the highest DPET.


With those conclusions in place, we're starting to see an outline of what should be optimal.
1. AP starts.
2. Some form of conserve rotation involving a few ABs and AMs, keeping mana high and trigerring Temporal Power buffs.
3. At some point, begin AB spam for the rest of AP.
But when do we go from phase 2 to 3? Would it be possible that we just spend AMs as they come, and never purely spam AB? The main constraint here is AP's limited duration. Casting an additional AM at high mana comes at the cost of time spent casting additional ABs at the tail of AP with low mana. The strictly decreasing DPS curve means that any additional ABs are worth less and less, so the optimum DPS would be achieved when AM is equal in DPET to the final AB casted during AP. This is a question of "target mana level at the end of AP". Let's take a closer look at that.


Claim 5: With Tome of Shifting Words, for most "normal" levels of mastery, (DPET of AB4 at any mana level) > (DPET of AM4 at any mana level).
Proof: Spreadsheet time!
Let's start with some unhasted numbers. Luckily, both AB4 and AM4 scale similarly until 80% haste, when AB4 hits GCD cap. Tome has a 25% (technically 24.99981%) effect at base itemlevel of 695 (even if no version of the trinket exists in game at that itemlevel). We can build a damage and DPET table for Arcane Missiles and Arcane Blast at each trinket itemlevel.
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For the next step, what we want to answer is "What is the mana level for a given amount of mastery, before casting AB4 is lower DPET than casting AM4 at a high level of mana?" Using the player mana regen rate of 1.8%/sec before haste, we can assume a 93%+1.8% ~= 95% average mana level for Arcane Missiles. What mana level for AB4 does that correspond to?
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It would take at least 85% mastery with 705 ToSW, and over 100% mastery with 720 ToSW, before AB4 casted at ~10% mana (the minimum) would have lower DPET than AM4 casted at high mana. These mastery figures are pretty unrealistic, which means we can assume the observation is true. With Unstable Magic, AB gains even more ground relative to AM, giving this observation even more secure ground.
Observations: As long as Arcane Power is up and mana is enough to last through the rest of it, using AB would do more DPS than AM for the duration of Arcane Power.
Note: This conclusion does not account for what happens outside of AP. This is strictly about "How to do the most damage for the duration of Arcane Power" - which is extremely relevant for the ring, but not necssarily what would provide maximum player DPS.
Additional Note: Without ToSW, the spreadsheet indicates that there is no mana level that would give AB4 higher DPET than AM. This corroborates with our original understanding of burn phases without ToSW: Use AMs ASAP, unless it causes disruptive delays to overall burn/evocation cycles.


Observation #5 tells us this: "The optimal amount of damage done during AP would involve spamming AB at the tail to very low mana." There are some simplifications being made here; we're not fully accounting for midway AM procs that might cap at 3 charges, potential Temporal Power gains, or Prophecy of Fear. Those would complicate things a lot.

The biggest problem we have though, is that damage done during AP isn't a "closed system". The amount of mana you finish at the end of the burn affects the amount of time you spend evocation outside of AP, which is also damage lost. Making a simplified assumption that evocation gives mana steadily instead of in large chunks, we can estimate the amount of time lost to these "extra evo ticks". Evocation grants 20%*(1+haste) mana per tick, with one tick happening immediately, and each additional tick 2/(1+haste) seconds later. We usually gain between 25% to 35% per tick, depending on haste buffs such as Mark of Warsong and Bloodlust. Using 30% as a median, we can adjust DPET estimates in our earlier spreadsheet, and compute new mastery and mana levels for DPET parity between AB4 and AM4.


Claim 6: Ignoring external factors such as Prismatic Crystal, Nithramus and Unstable magic, reaching 0% mana during burn phases with ANY trinket does not give optimal overall player damage.
Proof: Spreadsheets.
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After adjusting for the extra At any reasonable mastery level and with any itemlevel trinket, AM4 at high mana is more desirable than ToSW ABs casted at around zero mana.
Observations: This should answer a lot of questions for why a lot of players, especially with normal ToSW and lower levels of gear, didn't feel the same strength from the spec trinket that mythic players do. Most of them did not have the legendary ring, were using the normal 705 version of the trinket, and mindlessly spammed Arcane Blast during AP until they reached 0% mana. This is especially penalizing with old T17 gear, which was heavier on mastery relative to current T18 items. In the end, they lost most of the gains from the trinket due to the extra amount of time they spent evocating.
Notably, this has implications for Prophecy of Fear openers. This is supportive of the strategy that begins a burn phase with dumping Arcane Missiles into the boss after putting up Prismatic Crystal, at the cost of spending less time Arcane Blast spamming.
Note that this is a simplified conclusion that doesn't take into account multiplcative effects such as Prismatic Crystal+Unstable Magic, Nithramus, or other multiplicative effects. Nithramus is especially important as a skewing effect.


Claim 7: Haste has heavy effects on usage of Tome of Shifting Words, due to both reduction in cast time, and increased mana regeneration rate from evocation.
Proof: With a "target mana level at the end of AP" strategy, it always requries a fixed number of Arcane Blasts to reach from ~93% to the the target mana level. Haste reduces the amount of time taken to get there, which leaves more Arcane Power time for staying in conserve mode and using Arcane Missiles. On the other hand, Nether Attunement means that Evocation gains more mana per tick. This means we want to set a lower target mana level, and spend more time spamming ABs.
Observations: The biggest implication of this is that Bloodlust heavily affects the pacing of 15 second burn phases. What happens when it pushes us past the 80% haste soft cap is also a question that will take a lot of effort to answer.
Unfortunately, the two different effects of haste are a little conflicting. Does it mean spending more time It will take more detailed math to figure out whether we really spend much more time AB spamming, or does it mean we should spend more of AP casting AMs? I don't know, so maybe you should do the math and tell me!



Alright, enough of a wall of text. To close this post, I'm just going to include some key figures and formulas for analysing this topic.

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mana_regen = 1.8% * (1 + haste) per second cast_time = base_cast_time / (1 + haste) evocation: 20% * (1 + haste) mana per tick, 1 tick on cast, 3 ticks spaced 2 / (1 + haste) seconds after Arcane Blast: mana_cost = 2% * (1 + arcane_charges) * (1 - 0.1 * arcane_power_active) damage = 121% * (1 + 0.5 * arcane_charges) spellpower base_cast_time = 2.25 * (1 - 0.05 * arcane_charges) seconds Arcane Missiles: damage = 5 * 28.5% * (1 + 0.5 * arcane_charges) spellpower base_cast_time = 2.0 seconds Tome of Shifting Words: base_itemlevel = 695 base_effect_percentage = 24.99981% effect_percentage = base_effect_percentage *1.15 ^( (itemlevel - base_itemlevel) / 15 )
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Re: [TC] Tome of Shifting Words Analysis Braindump

Unread postby Killget Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:16 pm

Claim 1: When Arcane Power is not active, ToSW is worthless and equivalent to not having a second trinket.
Just to add onto this point, During progress on High Add Priority Fights e.g. Gorefiend, Kilrogg, Socrethar etc, when the adds spawn at times when AP is not up, Having a different trinket may be better for damage on the priority targets with uneven spawn times because ToSW is an empty slot while AP is on cooldown.

We have a few mages in our raid, and if all are using this trinket, thats a lot of stats missing when all have AP on cooldown and an add comes up that Ranged need to take care of, when half your ranged are mages with effectively one trinket equipped, issues can arise

To add onto this, when there are such cases of adds that need to die instantly, the instant burst of SN is also useful and far more reliable than UM, and as Komma mentions, SN gains nothing from the ToSW trink

Again, it works the opposite way that if priority adds are going to spawn when AP is up e.g. Iskars Phantasmal Resonance, the birdy needs to die asap so damage outside of that phase is fairly irrelevant and ToSW certainly shines.

I find i jumble around trinkets throughout HFC and just cause something sims the best (and will probably yield the highest DPS), it does not necessarily mean it will be better for the raid.

Just my two cents
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Re: [TC] Tome of Shifting Words Analysis Braindump

Unread postby Frosted Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:44 am

Something needs to be done to add weight to AM with respect to the chance to proc pets/aura buff, and to address the issue of AM capping( if it's even an issue)
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Unread postby Causese Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:28 pm

Observation #5 tells us this: "The optimal amount of damage done during AP would involve spamming AB at the tail to very low mana."
Sounds like we should glyph AP if boss dies before 2 min? Reaver is the only one I can think of. :lol:

I'm curious if glyping AP is worth it generally if we don't run out of mana. 8-)
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Unread postby monkeyofdoom Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:32 pm

great post - thanks for all the work put in here, very impressive and helpful.

Please could you explain how the 'evo adjusted' numbers are calculated. I'm assuming this is DPET taking into account the time needed to evocate. However, I can't get my head around it.
I'm trying to do some simple sums to work out the possible effects of temporal power on DPET - should I be using the evo adjusted DPET for comparisons?

Thanks
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Re: [TC] Tome of Shifting Words Analysis Braindump

Unread postby Komma Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:57 pm

Something needs to be done to add weight to AM with respect to the chance to proc pets/aura buff, and to address the issue of AM capping( if it's even an issue)
I agree, but I have no idea how to formulaically model the strength of Temporal Power without a predictable DPET or amount of damage done over the next 10 seconds.
Observation #5 tells us this: "The optimal amount of damage done during AP would involve spamming AB at the tail to very low mana."
Sounds like we should glyph AP if boss dies before 2 min? Reaver is the only one I can think of. :lol:

I'm curious if glyping AP is worth it generally if we don't run out of mana. 8-)
Not sure what that quote has anything to do with glyphing. If it's 2 minutes, you'd get 30 seconds of uptime regardless, so I'm not sure why you would glyph.
Please could you explain how the 'evo adjusted' numbers are calculated. I'm assuming this is DPET taking into account the time needed to evocate. However, I can't get my head around it.
Evocation is (10% * (1 + 2.5 * arcane_charges) * (1 + haste)) mana per 2 second tick. If you ignore discrete ticks, you can approximate how much time it takes to recover each the mana spent by an arcane blast. Since DPET is (damage_done/time), the adjusted value is (damage_done/(cast_time + evocation_time)).
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Re: [TC] Tome of Shifting Words Analysis Braindump

Unread postby Frosted Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:27 pm

Something needs to be done to add weight to AM with respect to the chance to proc pets/aura buff, and to address the issue of AM capping( if it's even an issue)
I agree, but I have no idea how to formulaically model the strength of Temporal Power without a predictable DPET or amount of damage done over the next 10 seconds.
You cannot without actually knowing what spells / how many you're going to cast.

I was thinking we could build a tome_burn sub-APL into the burn sub-APL for SimC. tome_burn would be essentially AB spam (with some other things like proper CD use/PC spell use) and would get triggered at some mana level, while standard burn (which we can fix up to basically be weaving AM/AB) would be the default. And then look at which mana levels entry into tome_burn lead to DPS gains (if it does).
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Unread postby Searix Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:18 am

Interestingly what we resolve as the best model directly determines what trinkets are best for single target. I'm not sure PoF survives as best 2nd trinket if AM isnt in our rotation during burn phase

*single target fights
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Unread postby monkeyofdoom Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:37 pm

Interestingly what we resolve as the best model directly determines what trinkets are best for single target. I'm not sure PoF survives as best 2nd trinket if AM isnt in our rotation during burn phase

*single target fights
Although, I think with POF up during burn - plus prismatic crystal - then the consensus from other threads is that AM'ing whichever target has Mark of Doom is still a big dps gain.
The exact burn rotation is still going to be dependent on trinket procs, and if there is a second target within range etc.
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Unread postby Searix Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:12 pm

x-posting from simcraft thread
Changed the base GCD for AB during AP with ToSW to 1.2, up from 1.0, to match in-game data.

Relevant Commit: https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc ... 050737334f" target="_blank
what are the implications of this?

(also the implications of troll berserking if you would)
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Unread postby Frosted Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:28 am

I already updated the trinket section of the arcane SimC thread.

I don't care much about racials (their influence is trivial), so I haven't bothered looking into it.
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Unread postby Searix Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:33 am

I already updated the trinket section of the arcane SimC thread.

I don't care much about racials (their influence is trivial), so I haven't bothered looking into it.
i meant more does the change devalue haste

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