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Arcane Mage in Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Up-to-date as of January 31st.

This guide has not been updated since 8.2. Although the rotation and talents section is still relevant. The Icy Veins guide is updated completely for 8.2 and 8.3, so for an up to date guide on essences and corruptions please go to that guide.

Content

• Content
• Intro
• Changes in 8.0
• Talents
  • Single Target Talents
  • AoE Talents
• Rotation
  • Standard Rotation
  • Azerite Rotation Changes
  • Gear
    • Stat weights
    • Azerite Gear
    • What Azerite Traits should I look for?
  • Consumables
  Intro
  Hi all, and welcome to my Arcane Mage guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0). In this guide I will go over everything you need to know to play Arcane in a Mythic raiding environment. Although not the focus of this guide, things read here should still apply to Mythic+ in most situations. I also wrote a very detailed guide over on Icy veins, so if you are interested in that, check it out here.
  
  Changes in 8.0
  • All Artifact traits, including the Artifact ability Mark of Aluneth have been removed.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=12042/arcane-power is now on the Global Cooldown.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=205032/charged-up is now on the Global Cooldown.
  • https://www.wowhead.com/spell=5143/arcane-missiles can now be cast without having any procs. https://wowhead.com/spell=5143/arcane-missiles has also been changed to no longer gain extra damage from Arcane Charges.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=30451 becomes faster to cast based on the amount of Arcane Charges.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=263725/clearcasting has been added. This is the new proc for Arcane. It lets you cast https://wowhead.com/spell=5143/arcane-missiles or 1449-arcane-explosion for free.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=1449/arcane-explosion has been changed to no longer gain extra damage from Arcane Charges, nor does it cost more Mana when cast repeatedly.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=1459/arcane-intellect has been added.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=475/remove-curse has been added.
  • The talent https://wowhead.com/spell=236628-amplification has been changed. Instead of doing more damage with https://wowhead.com/spell=5143/arcane-missiles the more Arcane
  • Charges you have, it now makes https://wowhead.com/spell=5143/arcane-missiles do more damage when you get https://www.wowhead.com/spell=263725/clearcasting, by shooting an extra missile.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=264354/rule-of-threes is a new talent, replacing Words of Power.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=236457/slipstream has been changed slightly. Because https://wowhead.com/spell=5143/arcane-missiles can be cast at any time in BfA, Slipstream has been changed to only allow movement when using https://wowhead.com/spell=5143/arcane-missiles with a https://www.wowhead.com/spell=263725/clearcasting proc.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=281482/reverberate is a new talent, replacing Erosion.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=210824/touch-of-the-magi a new talent, replacing Unstable Magic.
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=210805/time-anomaly is a new talent, replacing Temporal Flux.
  
  Talents
  As always, what talents you pick depend a lot on the situation, but it also depends on what gear you have available. If you are uncertain at any point on what talents to pick for your character, you can sim it on Raidbots Talent Compare.
  
  Single Target Talents
  Level 15: https://wowhead.com/spell=264354-rule-of-threes
  Rule of Threes is best on single target and any aoe situation upto 8 targets. https://wowhead.com/spell=205022/arcane-familiar is best on 8+ targets. It being the best on AoE may seem counterintuitive at first, since there is no direct component to Rule of Threes that boosts its AoE damage, however, after reaching 3 Arcane Charges, you can cast 1 Arcane Blast for free, which allows you to sustain Mana for longer while AoEing, allowing you to AoE longer.
  Level 30: https://wowhead.com/spell=212653 or https://wowhead.com/spell=236457
  Pick whichever you prefer to play with. I personally prefer Shimmer and use it on practically all fights over Slipstream.
  Level 45: https://wowhead.com/spell=1463 or https://wowhead.com/spell=116011
  Rune of Power is the best theoretical DPS choice for any amount of targets. However, Incanter's Flow is very close, and Rune of Power is quite restrictive, so it may not be practical for all encounters. Below, I have listed some reasons which may cause you to not pick Rune of Power, but instead go with Incanter's Flow:

  • There are raid mechanics which you can not plan for in advance that may cause you to have to move out of your Rune of Power.
  • There is a lot of movement required on the fight in general.
  • It is also worth noting that Rune of Power is a lot harder to play with than Incanter's Flow , so it should not be used when you are not very comfortable with the spec and fight.
  Level 60: https://wowhead.com/spell=205032
  Level 75: https://wowhead.com/spell=235711
  Level 90: https://wowhead.com/spell=210824
  Level 100:https://wowhead.com/spell=155147
  
  AoE Talents
  Level 15: https://wowhead.com/spell=264354
  Rule of Threes upto 8 targets. https://wowhead.com/spell=205022 on 8+ targets. It being the best on AoE may seem counterintuitive at first, since there is no direct component to Rule of Threes that boosts its AoE damage, however, after reaching 3 Arcane Charges, you can cast 1 Arcane Blast for free, which allows you to get more Arcane Barrage out.
  Level 30: https://wowhead.com/spell=212653 or https://wowhead.com/spell=236457
  Pick whichever you prefer to play with. I prefer Shimmer.
  Level 45: https://wowhead.com/spell=1463 or https://wowhead.com/spell=116011
  Rune of Power is the best theoretical DPS choice for any amount of targets. However, Incanter's Flow is very close, and Rune of Power is quite restrictive, so it may not be practical for all encounters. Below, I have listed some reasons which may cause you to not pick Rune of Power, but instead go with Incanter's Flow:

  • There are raid mechanics which you can not plan for in advance that may cause you to have to move out of your Rune of Power.
  • There is a lot of movement required on the fight in general.
  • It is also worth noting that Rune of Power is a lot harder to play with than Incanter's Flow, so it should not be used when you are not very comfortable with the spec and fight.
  Level 60: https://wowhead.com/spell=205028
  Level 75: https://wowhead.com/spell=235711
  Level 90: https://wowhead.com/spell=281482/reverberate or https://wowhead.com/spell=114923
  Reverberate if you can be in melee range to https://wowhead.com/spell=1449/arcane-explosion, otherwise https://wowhead.com/spell=114923/nether-tempest
  Level 100: https://wowhead.com/spell=153626/arcane-orb
  
  Rotation The Arcane Mage rotation still consists of a Burn and a Conserve phase. Though due to the Mana changes in 8.0, the Conserve Phase is now a lot more aggressive than it was in 7.3.5. You go into the Burn Phase when your DPS cooldowns are up, and when you are out of Mana, you use https://wowhead.com/spell=12051/evocation to go back up to a 100% Mana. At this point, you will try to Conserve some of your Mana until your cooldowns are back up, and then the process repeats.
  
  Burn Phase
  The Burn phase commences at the start of the encounter, and whenever https://wowhead.com/spell=12042/arcane-power is off cooldown thereafter. It is important to ensure you will not be interrupted during the Burn phase, so avoid entering this part of the rotating during heavy movement or when volatile mechanics are active.
  
  You can enter the Burn Phase when the following is all true:
  
  • https://wowhead.com/spell=12042/arcane-power is ready;
  • you have 4 charges of Arcane Charges;
  • at least one charge of https://wowhead.com/spell=116011/rune-of-power is available, if running the talent;
  • you have at least 50% Mana (30% if https://wowhead.com/spell=155147/overpowered is talented).
  Below we have listed the order in which you should perform your spells during the Burn Phase.
  
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=205032/charged-up if talented and you have 2 or less Arcane Charges.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=153626/arcane-orb if talented and if you do not have 4 Arcane Charges.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=114923/nether-tempest if talented and you have 4 Arcane Charges, and it is not up, or has less than 3 seconds remaining, and both https://wowhead.com/spell=12042/arcane-power and https://wowhead.com/spell=116011/rune-of-power are currently not active.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=55342/mirror-image, if talented.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=30451/arcane-blast if you got a Rule of Threes buff and you have Overpowered Talented.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=116011/rune-of-power, if talented.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=12042/arcane-power.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=205025/presence-of-mind if https://wowhead.com/spell=116011/rune-of-power or https://wowhead.com/spell=12042/arcane-power would run out before finishing your next https://wowhead.com/spell=30451/arcane-blast.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=44425/arcane-barrage if there are 3 or more targets and you have 4 stacks of Arcane Charges.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=1449/arcane-explosion if there are 3 or more targets.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=5143/arcane-missiles if you have https://www.wowhead.com/spell=263725/clearcasting and have less than 95% Mana, and https://wowhead.com/spell=12042/arcane-power is not currently active.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=30451/arcane-blast.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=12051/evocation when out of Mana.
  Conserve Phase
  You should enter the Conserve Phase any time you are not in the Burn Phase. During the Conserve Phase you should try to maximize the amount of time spent casting https://wowhead.com/spell=30451/arcane-blast with 4 Arcane Charges, while keeping your Mana high enough during the Conserve Phase, so that when your https://wowhead.com/spell=12042/arcane-power comes off cooldown you are able to Burn as much Mana as possible within that window for optimal output. Below we have listed the priority in which you should use your spell during the Conserve Phase.
  
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=205032/charged-up if talented and you have 0 Arcane Charges.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=114923/nether-tempest if talented and you have 4 Arcane Charges, and it is not up, or has less than 3 seconds remaining.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=153626/arcane-orb if talented and if you do not have 4 Arcane Charges.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=116011/rune-of-power if you will cap on Rune of Power charges before https://wowhead.com/spell=12042/arcane-power is ready, and you have 4 Arcane Charges.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=30451/arcane-blast if Rule of Threes is talented and you have the Rule of Threes buff.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=1449/arcane-explosion if there are 3 or more targets and you have https://www.wowhead.com/spell=263725/clearcasting .
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=5143/arcane-missiles if you have https://www.wowhead.com/spell=263725/clearcasting and have less than 95% Mana.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=44425/arcane-barrage if you have 4 Arcane Charges and you have less than 60% Mana (80% Mana if you would cap on Rune of Power charges before Arcane Power is ready) or you have 4 Arcane Charges and there are 3 or more targets.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=1449/arcane-explosion if there are 3 or more targets.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=157980/supernova , if talented.
  • Cast https://wowhead.com/spell=30451/arcane-blast.
  Azerite Rotation Changes
  
  If you are running https://www.wowhead.com/spell=264352/equipoise, you should conserve at 80% Mana, instead of 60% Mana.
  
  Gear Stat Weights
  Intellect is by far the best stat for Arcane Mages. , and All secondary stats are very close. You can use the list below as a default guideline, but I strongly suggest always simming yourself via Raidbots.
  
  • Intellect;
  • Critical Strike;
  • Haste;
  • Mastery;
  • Versatility.
  Azerite Gear
  Before i get started on Azerite Gear, the absolute best way to determine what items to equip is by using Raidbots Top Gear. This includes Azerite Gear and trinkets.
  
  What Azerite Traits should I look for?
  https://www.wowhead.com/spell=264352/equipoise is the best single-target Azerite Trait. Make sure you conserve above 80% Mana when using this trait, instead of 60% Mana.
  
  https://www.wowhead.com/spell=288989/tr ... s-covenant is the second best single target trait, and good for AoE DPS as well. Keep in mind the downside however, as on some progress fights it might not have as good uptime as you would want. The effect might also kill you, so pick the trait carefully.
  
  https://www.wowhead.com/spell=274594/arcane-pressure and https://www.wowhead.com/spell=278537/explosive-echo are very close for AoE, with Arcane Pressure winning out if you use the https://wowhead.com/spell=281482/reverberate talent, otherwise Explosive Echo.
  
  Consumables
  Q: What potion should I use?
  A: https://www.wowhead.com/item=163222/bat ... -intellect
  
  Q: What food should I use?
  A: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=259423/bo ... ains-feast is your best food. If your raid is not using feasts, run Raidbots stat weights to get your best secondary stat, and then get the best possible food for that secondary. (Crit: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=259416, Versatility: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=259447, Haste: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=259429, Mastery: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=259441)
  
  Q: What weapon enchant should I use?
  A: https://www.wowhead.com/item=153479/enc ... f-elements

Great write up on the new Arcane changes - I have a few clarification questions on the rotation based on the above:
- with 4 pc T21 do you cast 4 arcane blasts on the opener before you barrage -> charged up -> AP and begin burn? For each additional AP, should you get to 4 stacks, barrage and then start burn?

- Do you only cast AM when clearcasting procs in burn and conserve?

- is it correct that during conserve you still cast arcane blast at 4 stacks until 50% mana? And then barrage at 4 stacks to get mana from kilt, back down to 50%, barrage, etc?

- Since kilt gives you 12% mana back per 4 charges cleared, and if the above is true, is it better when you hit 50% during conserve to barrage -> get 4 stacks -> barrage until back up to some % of mana? Or just barrage at 50% -> get 4 stacks -> cast till 50% again -> barrage, etc

- with 4 pc T21 do you cast 4 arcane blasts on the opener before you barrage -> charged up -> AP and begin burn? For each additional AP, should you get to 4 stacks, barrage and then start burn?

On pull, you'll probably want to instantly charged up into arcane power and burn, on other burns you'll probably want to dump 4 charges into a barrage, then begin the cycle (if it lines up?, if you wind up delaying a full arcane power at some point due to waiting it might not be worth it, I'm not sure)

- Do you only cast AM when clearcasting procs in burn and conserve?

More than likely yes, as clearcasting also reduces the channel time to finish missiles, whereas the charges reduce the cast time of arcane blast, which would likely be better dps

Great write up on the new Arcane changes - I have a few clarification questions on the rotation based on the above:
- with 4 pc T21 do you cast 4 arcane blasts on the opener before you barrage -> charged up -> AP and begin burn? For each additional AP, should you get to 4 stacks, barrage and then start burn?

No, you precast Arcane Blast -> Cast Charged Up -> Arcane Power -> Start Arcane Blasting

- Do you only cast AM when clearcasting procs in burn and conserve?

Yes, only with clearcasting, and only when below 95%. Both during burn and conserve, even during AP, you cast missiles with clearcasting.

- is it correct that during conserve you still cast arcane blast at 4 stacks until 50% mana? And then barrage at 4 stacks to get mana from kilt, back down to 50%, barrage, etc?

Yes, exactly. Just if you got overpowered, you actually go down to 30%. You can even drop a bit lower if it's needed.

- Since kilt gives you 12% mana back per 4 charges cleared, and if the above is true, is it better when you hit 50% during conserve to barrage -> get 4 stacks -> barrage until back up to some % of mana? Or just barrage at 50% -> get 4 stacks -> cast till 50% again -> barrage, etc

You keep casting blast until 30% after using Barrage.

Thanks for the clarification Dutch, appreciate it!

Also, it sounds like the 4PC T21 isnt really used for opener then?

Thanks for the clarification Dutch, appreciate it!

Also, it sounds like the 4PC T21 isnt really used for opener then?

Correct!

Soul of the Archmage just got stealth nerfed, it now only grants Amplification.

Honestly Overpowered + Time Anomaly was too strong, but I'm not sure why they were concerned since the content is irrelevant. The replacement is kind of a joke, though.

My personal sims are showing Shard of the Exodar is the best replacement for Archmage after the stealth nerf today.

I'm also showing Arcane Familar as the best T1 talent, and OP pulls ahead of TA by 20 dps. I imagine double lust makes OP a bit better, unless TA doesn't properly sim or reflect it's real benefits because of its RNG nature?

My talent sims w/ exodar + kilt: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ ... jFUbCjut1B

Dang, I really liked TA and Overpowered... I found that when I get the lucky evocation proc from TA it feels like I'm in burn phase all the time.

Will see whether Arcane is going to be my main in BFA after the legendaries drop off...

I have updated for the latest hotfixes.

My personal sims are showing Shard of the Exodar is the best replacement for Archmage after the stealth nerf today.

I'm also showing Arcane Familar as the best T1 talent, and OP pulls ahead of TA by 20 dps. I imagine double lust makes OP a bit better, unless TA doesn't properly sim or reflect it's real benefits because of its RNG nature?

My talent sims w/ exodar + kilt: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ ... jFUbCjut1B

I got the same findings, except Mantle is good for single-target as well.

I am a bit sad they nerfed Archmage. I understand why, it made it so we are basically permanent burn phase, due to OP+TA, but it was fun for a little while.

I've got a question about Rule of Threes.

It seems like it may be better to use the proc to cast Arcane Missiles when you hit exactly three charges (such as from hardcasting Arcane Blasts, or Arcane Orb only generating three charges) since the free Arcane Blast won't be fully powered up by charges, and won't cost as much if done for free either. Since Missiles isn't affected by charges, it's fully powered all the time.

If you get the proc from casting Charged Up, or get 4 charges from Time Anomaly, or Orb hits enough targets to go straight to 4 charges, then it seems like it would be best used on whichever spell is the best damage per unit time between a 4-Charged Arcane Blast or Arcane Missiles.

Maybe?

I've got a question about Rule of Threes.

It seems like it may be better to use the proc to cast Arcane Missiles when you hit exactly three charges (such as from hardcasting Arcane Blasts, or Arcane Orb only generating three charges) since the free Arcane Blast won't be fully powered up by charges, and won't cost as much if done for free either. Since Missiles isn't affected by charges, it's fully powered all the time.

If you get the proc from casting Charged Up, or get 4 charges from Time Anomaly, or Orb hits enough targets to go straight to 4 charges, then it seems like it would be best used on whichever spell is the best damage per unit time between a 4-Charged Arcane Blast or Arcane Missiles.

Maybe?

This is an interesting idea, and one I had to double check because I wasn't sure why I didn't write that as the rotation before. I just resimmed it to make sure I remembered correctly, and it is still a DPS gain to use AB over AM on ro3:




Why exactly? I'm not sure. I imagine it is because it reduces the amount of 4 Arcane Charges Arcane Blasts that we end up doing, since yes, AM does do slightly more damage and costs more mana than a 3 arcane charge AB, it does not generate arcane charges, whereas AB does, and arcane charges can basically be seen as damage.

I know that everyone's sims aren't going to be the same obviously, but the wording in this guide and people's comments on Discord would suggest that either combination ( kilt+mantle or kilt+shard ) should be clear winners of kilt+soul of the archmage.

But in my sims it showing that kilt+shard is best for me at 4710 dps. Followed by kilt+soul at 4615 dps and coming up last is kilt+mantle at 4585. Not a massive difference between the three combinations but I am curious why the Soul of the Archmage is considered so dog shit when it's my best combination?

Am I missing something extra to this equation or is it just that it's not as bad as people make it sound?

I know that everyone's sims aren't going to be the same obviously, but the wording in this guide and people's comments on Discord would suggest that either combination ( kilt+mantle or kilt+shard ) should be clear winners of kilt+soul of the archmage.

But in my sims it showing that kilt+shard is best for me at 4710 dps. Followed by kilt+soul at 4615 dps and coming up last is kilt+mantle at 4585. Not a massive difference between the three combinations but I am curious why the Soul of the Archmage is considered so dog shit when it's my best combination?

Am I missing something extra to this equation or is it just that it's not as bad as people make it sound?

Soul is definitely not "dogshit" if someone said that. I just haven't seen many gear sets where it is top 3, bug it's definitely possible it's good in certain gear/talent combinations.

I know that everyone's sims aren't going to be the same obviously, but the wording in this guide and people's comments on Discord would suggest that either combination ( kilt+mantle or kilt+shard ) should be clear winners of kilt+soul of the archmage.

But in my sims it showing that kilt+shard is best for me at 4710 dps. Followed by kilt+soul at 4615 dps and coming up last is kilt+mantle at 4585. Not a massive difference between the three combinations but I am curious why the Soul of the Archmage is considered so dog shit when it's my best combination?

Am I missing something extra to this equation or is it just that it's not as bad as people make it sound?

I have had very similar results to yours and what I am seeing it come down to is what you are wearing, and what you are giving up. These sims are done in a vacuum of BiS gear, and I nkow for myself when I go for "optimal" legendaries I end up with a lower over all dps due to dropping an offpiece chest for a tier piece that is much lower ilvl. The "Best Legendary" isn't a hard and fast rule unless you have all of the BiS option pieces to choose from for each combo and it really comes down to simming yourself and using your head. Also as far as soul goes, gaining a talent in any damage tier (non mobility) will always be a good legendary, even if it isn't as broken as the ridiculous shit it was.

I'm taking issue when reading about incanters flow over rune of power. I don't believe it is truly better than rune of power considering most of arcanes damage will come during arcane power and fitting as much damage into that window is how is been done for a long time with the most success. I just wanted to ask for some clarifications:

Did you run sims on the comparison of these two abilities?
Do you have a bias towards incanters?
Now that the stats are different does that change the priority on these two?
Does taking time anomanly have an effect on choosing incanters over rune of power?

For M+ I can understand the need for mobility but thats about the only time I'd take incanters, its always been less damage.

I'm taking issue when reading about incanters flow over rune of power. I don't believe it is truly better than rune of power considering most of arcanes damage will come during arcane power and fitting as much damage into that window is how is been done for a long time with the most success.

With the change to artifact weapons AP's duration is down quite a bit, which has a big effect on our burn and how to handle it. Being able to fit 2 RoP's into 1 AP during lust was huge for our choice to take it as we could double dip for a long duration.

Did you run sims on the comparison of these two abilities?

He and many others have run MANY sims of the abilities, and if you look around the site you will see that the sims of others back up the results for the most part. There are situations that you would want to take RoP over IF. If you sim yourself in your available legendaries and find that Shard/Kilt is your strongest combo, you'll likely also find that RoP coupled with OP pulls out as a front runner for talents.

Does taking time anomanly have an effect on choosing incanters over rune of power?

Yes (edit: but possibly no), every change you make to talents and gear, legendaries, 4 set, 2 set, what gems you use etc, will have an effect on the talents that pull ahead. What people seem to be missing here is that:

1. These sims are done in BiS gear with BiS legendaries

2. Even though one or the other is "best" the results of these are all very close at the moment, and i mean very close

3. You have to sim yourself in your gear with your legendaries comparing the multiple talents to see what's best for you. There is so much variance in gear and such variety now that hard and fast rules of the 2-3 pieces per slot that we used to choose from don't hold up anymore.

Just as an example here is a sim of my mage where RoP is actually better for me, based on my legendaries, also note that the DPS difference is so negligible that if I wanted to use any of these 4 combos, RNG would have more of a factor on the DPS than the actual talents I choose.



Go nuts, sim yourself and play how you want, this is one of the few times where you can viably pretty much play with almost any talent combo that you want to.

Did you run sims on the comparison of these two abilities?

I have ran sims on every single possible legendary and talent combinations (it's thousands, and takes hours to run) so yes. IF and RoP are very close in DPS, basically equal. But the odds of losing DPS while using RoP due to suboptimal usage is much higher than it is with IF, which is why it is suggested.

Do you have a bias towards incanters?

Nah, if anything I like RoP more because it promotes proper planning and rewards good play / punishes mistakes.

Now that the stats are different does that change the priority on these two?

Your own stats may change the balance of them. I ran the sims with a pretty standard set of gear for a mythic raider in Antorus.

Does taking time anomanly have an effect on choosing incanters over rune of power?

Yes, Time Anomaly promotes Incanter's Flow over Rune of Power, because your burn phase becomes weaker without Overpowered, and your conserve stronger with TA due to random AP procs giving your more DPS at times where you would not be able to line it up with RoP, but the damage bonus from IF is always there.

Aside from that, I strongly agree with what Voltaa is saying: Every character is different, and with how close IF and RoP are, either can be stronger for your own set of gear and legendaries. So your best bet is to sim your own character, and keep in mind what mechanics a fight has, and pick IF vs RoP depending on that. This actually goes for a bunch of talents for Arcane. A lot of them are quite close and you can pick a multitide of them and be viable.

Has anyone tried using the Iskar / Mannoroth trinkets? I have a feeling that they could be pretty overpowered but i don't own them, so i can't really try it out myself.