[7.1.5] Fire mage guide for Legion, by Rinoa

[Xenost]

The rule is something like that "always cast pyro after a fireball", this rule is a bit different during RoP depending on how many Fireblast charges you have and how many PF charges (during RoP you want to avoid casting fireball), and I'm not sure you may also want to go against the rule if you're about to cap FB because you only get double crit (on fireball + pyro many times in a row)

This means out of RoP you don't want to cast a PB after a CiS or after another PB.

[Cloovers]

The rule is something like that "always cast pyro after a fireball", this rule is a bit different during RoP depending on how many Fireblast charges you have and how many PF charges (during RoP you want to avoid casting fireball), and I'm not sure you may also want to go against the rule if you're about to cap FB because you only get double crit (on fireball + pyro many times in a row)

This means out of RoP you don't want to cast a PB after a CiS or after another PB.

Hi, first time poster, so be gentel

With above comment you made me abit uncertain, about CiS Pyro interaction.
I divide described scenario in 2 parts, im refering to the "out of RoP, CiS2PB interaction".

This is how I do it.
If I'm out of RoP, I have a HS and I'm about to cast CiS, I will cast PB as I would follow up a FBall.
This is if I'm @2 stacks or about to hit 2 stacks of FBlast.
If im not @2 stacks or FB or about not close to hit 2stacks of FB I will save my HS to the next FBall to PB cycle.

Are you sayin this is suboptimal play?

I have not simed this in detail so I do not know if its better or worse, but for me not making room for that extra FBlast and instead risking of sitting on thoose FBlasts due to double critts in the commin FBall to PB cycle.
This should net in a dps loss in overall gameplay?

PS. This is obviously in a case where Combustion is not about to come off CD.

//Cloovers

[Xenost]

This is how I do it.
If I'm out of RoP, I have a HS and I'm about to cast CiS, I will cast PB as I would follow up a FBall.
This is if I'm @2 stacks or about to hit 2 stacks of FBlast.
If im not @2 stacks or FB or about not close to hit 2stacks of FB I will save my HS to the next FBall to PB cycle.

This is exactly what you should do, I said hitting 2 charges of FB is an exception to the rule, in which case you probably want to follow your PB or CiS by PB. I said I'm not sure because I haven't simmed it though, that's what I do in my fights.

[Zifnab]

This guide doesn't go into any detail about what you should be doing with excess Phoenix Flames between combustion cooldowns (or in short fights where you will never get a 2nd combustion), for instance, with the Phoenix Reborn trait.

What I've been trying to do is this:

• Pyroblast immediately following a fireball when hotstreak is up
  • If they both crit, do another fireball followed by pyroblast
  • If neither crit, just cast more fireballs as filler
  • If you end up with only a Heating Up! buff and...
    • You are not in danger of capping Fire Blast charges, and have >= 1 Phoenix Flame charge...
      • Cast Phoenix Flames to convert Heating Up! into Hotstreak. Proceed as normal.
    • You are in danger of capping Fire Blast charges, or you have 0 Phoenix Flame Charge...
      • Charge up a fireball, fire blast in the middle, pyroblast at the end

The problem I run into is that "Cast Phoenix Flames" step... sometimes the travel time of my previous fireball/pyroblast combo is so great that I either have to delay casting anything at all to determine if I can get a phoenix flames in, or start casting my next fireball the moment the GCD is ready, regardless of whether or not there's a heating up! available, and regardless of whether or not I'm in danger of capping Phoenix Flames charges...

What am I supposed to do in these cases? I can't fit Phoenix Flames in like I can fireblast, because it has travel time, is on the GCD, and when I want to cast it I don't necessarily know if I have a heating up! yet or not. It feels a little awkward and I feel like I've been losing some amount of DPS by holding my cast until I for sure know whether or not the pyro gave me a heating up.

[Potaetoe]

This guide doesn't go into any detail about what you should be doing with excess Phoenix Flames between combustion cooldowns (or in short fights where you will never get a 2nd combustion), for instance, with the Phoenix Reborn trait.

What I've been trying to do is this:

• Pyroblast immediately following a fireball when hotstreak is up
  • If they both crit, do another fireball followed by pyroblast
  • If neither crit, just cast more fireballs as filler
  • If you end up with only a Heating Up! buff and...
    • You are not in danger of capping Fire Blast charges, and have >= 1 Phoenix Flame charge...
      • Cast Phoenix Flames to convert Heating Up! into Hotstreak. Proceed as normal.
    • You are in danger of capping Fire Blast charges, or you have 0 Phoenix Flame Charge...
      • Charge up a fireball, fire blast in the middle, pyroblast at the end

The problem I run into is that "Cast Phoenix Flames" step... sometimes the travel time of my previous fireball/pyroblast combo is so great that I either have to delay casting anything at all to determine if I can get a phoenix flames in, or start casting my next fireball the moment the GCD is ready, regardless of whether or not there's a heating up! available, and regardless of whether or not I'm in danger of capping Phoenix Flames charges...

What am I supposed to do in these cases? I can't fit Phoenix Flames in like I can fireblast, because it has travel time, is on the GCD, and when I want to cast it I don't necessarily know if I have a heating up! yet or not. It feels a little awkward and I feel like I've been losing some amount of DPS by holding my cast until I for sure know whether or not the pyro gave me a heating up.

Just use it in RoP to move Heating Up -> Hot Streak after a GCD. I've rarely capped PF doing that on single target. On Multi-target it's not a bad idea to cast PF more often to move Heating Up -> Hotstreak. Or just to create a Heating Up proc.

[Zifnab]

Just use it in RoP to move Heating Up -> Hot Streak after a GCD.

But the only GCD you really have to work with is the one following an instant pyroblast, and depending on travel time you don't always know if you *have* a Heating Up by the time your GCD is ready for your next cast. Do you delay a hardcast fireball, or do you just throw in the PF and hope it hits a heating up?

[dylank]

The way I have been dumping my PF's if I have extra is usually like this:

Fireball (Crit) -> CiS -> PF -> PB

I find weaving them in like this, when you have a heating up and are finishing a CiS, makes for a very smooth rotation and you won't run into the issue of delaying a cast due to travel time and such.

[Sosaria]

There are times during RoP where you end up with a instant pyro, but you're still casting fireball + pyro rotation (especially when you just finished a fireball + pyro and it double crit; giving you another instant pyro)

Don't do this during RoP; as soon as pyro is instant, use it.

[Neuroburner]

How about

fireball(noncrit) -> fireball + FF -> fireball

You will get at least Heating Up on your 3rd fireball so you can convert it in HS with a blast or just standard Pyro if your fireball + FF combo got you HS. And this rotation has no latency/reaction/distance issues you don't need to stop casting to wait travel time or so, all you need is free blast.

[ivanoize]

i've read the guide and other guides and it's not clear for me about cinderstorm usage.

wheres the place for cinderstorm in fire's priorities? and if possible can you describe how it's used with combustion and rune of power.

[jimme]

Just to be absolutely sure. Should we use Mark of the Claw or Mark of the Hidden Satyr?

Claw get benefit in AOE situations as well, which I suppose Satyr does not.

[Falq]

Hey in other topic Frosted was gentle enough to sim all available enchants. Since at the end of the chart there is "no enchants" label form of results may not be that clear. Made excel chart to present them as clear as possible.



This is single target sim.

I personally will be using Distant Army for Heroics/Normals, just for testing purposes to see how it performs on certain bosses and adds. Unluckily Satyr is not shown on meter (hopefuly on logs) so will try to come with some comparision after gathering some data.

[jimme]

Is distant army an AOE that just does really high single target dmg? Rain of arrow sounds sorta like barrage or something.

If that is the case its got high potential even on bosses with lots of adds where you run the risk of satyr proc'ing on something meaningless.

[Falq]

According to this sim it's exactly as you said. That's also why I'll try to test it this week.

[Slymon]

Unluckily Satyr is not shown on meter (hopefuly on logs) so will try to come with some comparision after gathering some data.

Think this is changed now. Just did a dungeon and Satyr is showing up on Skada.

Hidden satyr on skada.JPG (35.32 KiB) Viewed 16943 times

[jimme]

Looked on a few fire mage logs for Nythendra.

Satyr seems to do around 2% dmg. Anyone tried Distant Army yet?

[Pkm]

There are times during RoP where you end up with a instant pyro, but you're still casting fireball + pyro rotation (especially when you just finished a fireball + pyro and it double crit; giving you another instant pyro)

Don't do this during RoP; as soon as pyro is instant, use it.

That depends on if you have instant casts to keep chaining more pyroblast. There is no point in canceling a cast to launch pyro if you don't have fire blast or phoenix flames charges to fit in. And you shouldn't be running into this situation either if you are keeping track of your spells so you know that if you are going to be chaining instant casts or not.

[Sor]

When should I use the proc from Marquee Bindings of the Sun King?

[Potaetoe]

When should I use the proc from Marquee Bindings of the Sun King?

Whenever it pops and you are not in a Opener Phase or you don't have a clear crit chain in RoP.

[whisperingsage]

i've read the guide and other guides and it's not clear for me about cinderstorm usage.

wheres the place for cinderstorm in fire's priorities? and if possible can you describe how it's used with combustion and rune of power.

According to sims you basically use it on cooldown. It has less of a priority than hot streak, but even using it during rop when you have heating up isn't a bad idea. The sim also technically uses rune, cinder, combust to get a 5 stack pyretic off at the start of burst, but you'd have to try that for yourself on dummies to see if that works for you.