Kver's Updated Guide to Advanced 5.4.8 Fire

[Dutchmagoz]

It's the 11995 breakpoint with bloodlust+meta+2x 2pc.

(11995 - 1645 = 10350)

[Abraxis]

Thanks for clarifying!

Ok so far i didn't use the 1,096666 factor for the 2pc stacks.
Taking this into account i came up with 10180 for trolls (maybe you should mention 10350 is for non-trolls because if BL is up usually berserk is up for trolls as well)

Did simulate my mage again:

Haste 10180: 450s -- 496543DPS 200s -- 554971DPS 600s -- 486171DPS
Haste 10314: 450s -- 496519DPS 200s -- 554309DPS 600s -- 486176DPS

With 10180 you can hit:

+22 comb (BL+Berserk) @2 Stacks
+23 comb (BL+Berserk) @3 Stacks
+22 comb (Berserk+Meta) @2 Stacks
+23 comb (Berserk+Meta) @3 Stacks
+34 comb (BL+Berserk+Meta) @1 Stack
+35 comb (BL+Berserk+Meta) @3 Stacks (134 Haste missing to get it @2 Stacks which would be 10314 Haste)

so 10180 is the value i will test, starting this sunday (because we're raiding on sundays)

edit: probably the next step would be 10180-822,5 ~ 9358 Haste, but our killtimes aren't that fast yet.

[Dutchmagoz]

The nice thing with the builds you mentioned is that they're extremely strong on long fight durations as well, not just short ones. 9.35k does sound quite low though, it will make keeping 2pc up really difficult with a fireball build, so the opening burst has to be a gigantic portion of your fight damage.

[Abraxis]

Yes, were my thoughts as well

Another option could be reforging after blackfuse. But first i will test 10180, maybe i am that happy, that i won't change and due to our guild playing non optimal tactics i shouldn't go that low on haste (speaking of 9,35k) but i just would have mentioned it, because some guilds killing bosses faster than 3min.

[Blugatti]

How did you like it?

[Abraxis]

I liked it much, and i'll stick with it another Raid.

Malkorok was 247s fight 554k, Juggernaut would be around that as well, but someone screwed up with the laser.
And for Garrosh 603s fight 460k.

As long as PboI proccs right you're fine with that and not super fast killtimes.
Keeping 2pc up is no problem hastewise.

[Kver]

I'm concerned for the "as long as PBoI proccs right" part. I currently play 10400(No HWF PBoI) as a non troll, it feels pretty great. I was actually concerned about the flow of play without a high level of haste, but that actually seems to be no issue whatsoever.

[Alkbalk]

10695 seems to be the best dps option with HC WF PBOI and 18k+ crit for longer fights.

Sorry my math skills are..limited. How much haste is that with a non-wf HC PBOI?

[Dutchmagoz]

10695 seems to be the best dps option with HC WF PBOI and 18k+ crit for longer fights.

Sorry my math skills are..limited. How much haste is that with a non-wf HC PBOI?

10920 is without any PBOI.

[Deadchiller]

So 10180 is the way to go with HWF PBoL and BBoY+troll? Seems legit to me! I gotta try it

[bazz]

I was browsing over warcraftlogs at top Fire parses and then looking over at their Armory. A lot of the top parsing Mages are going really low haste (sub 9k) I also saw few breaking 4p and only using 2p. Obviously these players are in top guilds with really fast kills. but It was still an interesting trend to see.

[wuvius]

I personally am not running at any particular haste point...just trying to stack as much mastery as I can - the only fights that my guild has which are longer than 3 minutes at the moment are Klaxxi and Garrosh so I have dropped down to about 7700 haste currently (and would drop more if I can get a H WF Hit/Mastery neck to replace the Hit/Haste neck I run). Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I personally don't see the benefit of sitting at a particular haste point - and throughout the duration of any given fight I am trying to keep my 2pc at 5 stacks for the entire fight and 3 minutes is not particular difficult , it might drop off 1-3 times a fight at most. Another thing I've tried here and there is to swap into frost armor following my opener...the only real loss I've noticed from the lack of haste is how slow my casts are, damage-wise it's really negligble...bigger concern is PBOI proccing on the pull imo!

[Mybull]

10695 seems to be the best dps option with HC WF PBOI and 18k+ crit for longer fights.

Sorry my math skills are..limited. How much haste is that with a non-wf HC PBOI?

10920 is without any PBOI.

Hello,

I have tried all the Haste rating that had been posted on this post.

I have the HWF PBOI and cant figure out all the haste rating is for a goblin race. It seems that 10400 haste is something i would like to be on but for a goblin class? How much rating is that?