Fire Talent Comparisons, Stat Weights, Racials, Trinkets

[Dutchmagoz]

Thanks for your amazing work once again frosted <3

[Frosted]

Thanks for your amazing work once again frosted <3

<3.

[Knupzz]

These numbers are actually kind of surprising to me, I expected Fire to at least be competitive on 2 targets but it takes 3 to equal the damage of Frost. I haven't looked too much into the HFC fights and how much damage we can get from our combustions/living bombs on mechanics like add waves, but Arc/Frost is looking quite tasty to me at the moment. Arc/Frost looks have better gear synergy too compared to Arc/Fire.

[Frosted]

These numbers are actually kind of surprising to me, I expected Fire to at least be competitive on 2 targets but it takes 3 to equal the damage of Frost. I haven't looked too much into the HFC fights and how much damage we can get from our combustions/living bombs on mechanics like add waves, but Arc/Frost is looking quite tasty to me at the moment. Arc/Frost looks have better gear synergy too compared to Arc/Fire.

The buff to FB/FFB/FoF-iL all on top of the archi trinket do a lot to really improve Frost 2 target cleave, while Fire only lost cleave with the 2pc redesign.

[matchbox]

This tier Fire is... weird, to say the least, at least in my view. It's set bonus is more single target oriented (phoenix hits only priority target and gives no ignite to spread), while Archi trinket is purely for AoE (even on 3 targets Flamestrike is pretty weak, and on ST it's completely useless). The result is not surprising in the least.

[Smaiki]

Great work. Thanks alot!
It would be great if you could add another simchart for trinket combinations because a few weeks when Mage was able to use "Intuition's Gift", I noticed that using both Goren + Gift wasn't the best combination overall (I guess both crit procs together might reach a cap) although each trinkets simmed separately were #1 and #2.
Maybe that's the case with Goren + Sandman, too.

[Frosted]

Great work. Thanks alot!
It would be great if you could add another simchart for trinket combinations because a few weeks when Mage was able to use "Intuition's Gift", I noticed that using both Goren + Gift wasn't the best combination overall (I guess both crit procs together might reach a cap) although each trinkets simmed separately were #1 and #2.
Maybe that's the case with Goren + Sandman, too.

I did some quick comparisons when putting BiS together, and you're right. You do goren + sethe. gorens + sandmans isn't as good.

The pairwise sims take awhile to run, but I'll get around to them sometime soon for all specs.

[Frosted]

Added pairwise trinket comparisons.

[Hikariko]

So bit of a trinket question since mine are all messed up with WF and Sockets, not to mention upgrades.

So i have
6/6 Sandman's Pouch
Heroic WF Goren Soul Repository
Heroic Unblinking Gaze of Sethe
Heroic WF Socketed Iron Reaver Piston
Chipped Soul Prism
and last but honestly the least
a Normal WF Tome of Shifting Words (no one else wanted it)

Which two should i upgrade and use (yes i know i can't upgrade BRF gear)

Thanks in advance

-G

[Unbearievabl]

So bit of a trinket question since mine are all messed up with WF and Sockets, not to mention upgrades.

So i have
6/6 Sandman's Pouch
Heroic WF Goren Soul Repository
Heroic Unblinking Gaze of Sethe
Heroic WF Socketed Iron Reaver Piston
Chipped Soul Prism
and last but honestly the least
a Normal WF Tome of Shifting Words (no one else wanted it)

Which two should i upgrade and use (yes i know i can't upgrade BRF gear)

Thanks in advance

-G

Run Gaze and Sandman's. Replace Gaze with DSI when you can. Could also run the Heirloom.

[Magenv]

Hey guys,

I was wondering if there was any new information regarding the heirloom trinket, i am currently running a 6/6 (725) sandman and the chipped soul prism.

Also, i could not find anywhere if the season 3 crit trinket was viable as it gives a static 800 crit.

[Seatoo]

Hey guys,

I was wondering if there was any new information regarding the heirloom trinket, i am currently running a 6/6 (725) sandman and the chipped soul prism.

Also, i could not find anywhere if the season 3 crit trinket was viable as it gives a static 800 crit.

Just get a DSI

[Wilderness]

In my own personal sims, the heirloom trinket against non-demons was better than heroic DSI, but worse than mythic DSI. Against demons it was better than mythic DSI.

[Woke]

It would be worth mentioning that due to fight times being sub 5 minutes on almost every fight now and the extra 10 ilvls from upgrades that the stat weights provided are not reflective of the current state. Crit is better than mastery I find with these faster times for single target, but only slightly. With each extra target added, mastery gets better and better than mastery simming top fire mages. With fast and faster kills, mastery gets stronger and stronger too.

[Glitzerbling]

Not just shorter fights but also better leg ring. You should prolly stop stacking crit at 47% and go all out mastery/haste after that. Would be nice, if all the haste breakpoints were listed here. As in 'you get the last pyro in, before ignite ticks'-breakpoints.

[Sherrell]

In my own personal sims, the heirloom trinket against non-demons was better than heroic DSI, but worse than mythic DSI. Against demons it was better than mythic DSI.

We are currently pushing M archie hard so I prolly wont get a mythic DSI until we stop extending lockouts. Since archie is a demon, I've been using the heirloom and the proc uptime is almost 100%. Do you happen to know if the heirloom trink would be better than 725 mythic Iskar gaze trink?

[Frosted]

Not just shorter fights but also better leg ring. You should prolly stop stacking crit at 47% and go all out mastery/haste after that. Would be nice, if all the haste breakpoints were listed here. As in 'you get the last pyro in, before ignite ticks'-breakpoints.

There are no real haste breakpoints for ignite?

[Frosted]

It would be worth mentioning that due to fight times being sub 5 minutes on almost every fight now and the extra 10 ilvls from upgrades that the stat weights provided are not reflective of the current state. Crit is better than mastery I find with these faster times for single target, but only slightly. With each extra target added, mastery gets better and better than mastery simming top fire mages. With fast and faster kills, mastery gets stronger and stronger too.

It's always been the case that as you put more weight on your opener (shorter fights, basically) that crit is devalued (you spend more time under the effect of crit trinkets). Same for mastery gaining significant value vs. other stats as you add targets.

[Wilderness]

We are currently pushing M archie hard so I prolly wont get a mythic DSI until we stop extending lockouts. Since archie is a demon, I've been using the heirloom and the proc uptime is almost 100%. Do you happen to know if the heirloom trink would be better than 725 mythic Iskar gaze trink?

Yeah, it should be better than the mythic Iskar trinket.

[Glitzerbling]

Not just shorter fights but also better leg ring. You should prolly stop stacking crit at 47% and go all out mastery/haste after that. Would be nice, if all the haste breakpoints were listed here. As in 'you get the last pyro in, before ignite ticks'-breakpoints.

There are no real haste breakpoints for ignite?

Seeing as ignite is not influenced by haste and combustion is usually made from an ignite on pc by the same sequence of spells, there are breakpoints at which ignite ticks 1x less each, before the last pyro arrives, significantly improving the combustion. Those breakpoints are of interest, now that you can run with so little crit.