Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

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Timelord
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Timelord Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:31 pm

Was there a change to the Wriggling Sinew with the patch? I am consistently getting lower damage using that this week.

Last week's logs filtered for Maddening Whispers - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7q ... ity=222052" target="_blank
This week's logs filtered for the same - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kb ... ity=222052" target="_blank
(some of these were spread around but Nythendra, Hymdall, Guarm, Ursoc and Hyrja were all 10 stacks)

At this point, test runs on dummies show the 840 Baton outperforming the 875 Sinew :(
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Zulandia Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:02 pm

Sinew not specifically. PI and RoP which hurts Sinew though yes.
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Timelord Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:27 pm

Sinew not specifically. PI and RoP which hurts Sinew though yes.
Oh yes. I should've thought of that. That explains a lot since I was using MI this week. Thanks!
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Lahrast Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:29 pm

ok here's a thing: currently all my sims say, that stat trinkets (basically any secondary stat) from 855 onwards are superior to any EN (880 that is) trinket, even plaguehive and sinew are lacking behind something like a 860 int/something trinket, let alone a good urn or helya trinket, arcanocrystal etc. anyone else noticed the same thing?
switching from a 865 aran's to a 860 worldquest trinket when you have like 4 trinkets 880+ in your bags felt not very rewarding :/
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Falq Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:49 pm

ok here's a thing: currently all my sims say, that stat trinkets (basically any secondary stat) from 855 onwards are superior to any EN (880 that is) trinket, even plaguehive and sinew are lacking behind something like a 860 int/something trinket, let alone a good urn or helya trinket, arcanocrystal etc. anyone else noticed the same thing?
switching from a 865 aran's to a 860 worldquest trinket when you have like 4 trinkets 880+ in your bags felt not very rewarding :/
I have Urn and it sim worse than my 890 bough, 880 Sinew or few other trinkets.
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Byrne Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:13 pm

ok here's a thing: currently all my sims say, that stat trinkets (basically any secondary stat) from 855 onwards are superior to any EN (880 that is) trinket, even plaguehive and sinew are lacking behind something like a 860 int/something trinket, let alone a good urn or helya trinket, arcanocrystal etc. anyone else noticed the same thing?
switching from a 865 aran's to a 860 worldquest trinket when you have like 4 trinkets 880+ in your bags felt not very rewarding :/
Im seeing the exact same thing.
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Lahrast Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:35 am

ok here's a thing: currently all my sims say, that stat trinkets (basically any secondary stat) from 855 onwards are superior to any EN (880 that is) trinket, even plaguehive and sinew are lacking behind something like a 860 int/something trinket, let alone a good urn or helya trinket, arcanocrystal etc. anyone else noticed the same thing?
switching from a 865 aran's to a 860 worldquest trinket when you have like 4 trinkets 880+ in your bags felt not very rewarding :/
I have Urn and it sim worse than my 890 bough, 880 Sinew or few other trinkets.
my relatively "good" mastery scaling may be because i have 3 ignite relics equipt, that makes all stats hillariously close in dps-value (about 11 for crit and 10.4 for haste with mastery and versa in between, 12.5 for int)
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby jahrastafari Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:18 pm

It's all about those int trinkets now.
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Nyaline Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:46 pm

Don't think you can generalise it like that. My 870 (socket) twisting wind still sims lower than 880 sinew for example.
Chronoshard and Infernal writ are the ones you can "easily" get
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Eggochiggo Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:42 am

I have the same issue others are having where the Oakhearts (880) is simming highest, but the damage is really inconsistent, most of the time my 845 shock baton (socketed) performs better in fights/target dummies. Clearly the number of fights/attempts is pretty small since we are talking less than 2 weeks of fights so it may be the data sample.

Just wondering where others stand and what combo is performing best. The one thing I can say is between all my trinket options there is less than a 15k difference between them at best, so even if I use the wrong ones it isn't crushing me like it was before.
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby atrocity77 Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:51 am

I've got:

Devilsaur Shock baton (850)
Unstable Horrorslime (850)
Star Gate (880)
Bough of Corruption (870)
Wriggling Sinew (835)

I'm guessing that I should use Star Gate and Shock Baton... but could be wrong. Appreciate any guidance!
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Kendon Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:03 am

I've got:

Devilsaur Shock baton (850)
Unstable Horrorslime (850)
Star Gate (880)
Bough of Corruption (870)
Wriggling Sinew (835)

I'm guessing that I should use Star Gate and Shock Baton... but could be wrong. Appreciate any guidance!
Yeah that's probably it. I'd say bough might replace the baton but people claim it to be unreliable at times.

Infernal writ 885
Portable manacracker 890
Erratic metronome 880 w/ socket
Stargate 875

are my trinket arsenal. To all the stick stat trinket hype, I've done a few sims with them but for some reason sims feel like not reflecting the dps output thoroughly true. I just want to get your opinions on which of the two you would use. My legos are bracers and shard. Appreciate some opinions.


P.s: I also got arans, baton and favor too but doubt to use them since they have lower ilvls than the above mentioned by a margin.
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Mikxu Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:56 am

Hi,

got a little trinket problem. I got:

885 Deteriorated Construct Core
875 Icon of Rot
865 Padawsen's Unlucky Charm
865 Naraxa's Spiked Tongue
865 Twisting Wind
No idea which two to use :/ im pretty new fire mage.

Thx in advance
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Tayshren Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:27 pm

Hey, considering how the fights look in heroic Nighthold, I am trying to figure out at which point it is worth it to switch from my single target trinket to my Aran for AoE. So far I have come up with this, but please correct me if I am wrong:

AoE: Skorpyon
Not sure but probably AoE: Tichondrius, Aluriel, Botanist
Single Target: Chronomatic Anomaly, Trilliax, Krosus, Etreaus, Elisande, Gul'Dan

Do you guys agree/disagree and what's your opinion on the bosses I am not sure yet?
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Saróx Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:07 pm

AoE: Skorpyon
Not sure but probably AoE: Tichondrius, Aluriel, Botanist
Single Target: Chronomatic Anomaly, Trilliax, Krosus, Etreaus, Elisande, Gul'Dan
Botanist id call a control fight, we cleave components, but far from what i consider AOE, since it is more about controlling the fight than bursting it down. Chronomatic Anomaly, is another cleave fight since we dont pay direct attention to the adds, but just cleave them down, it might turn to ST with Focused AOE on mythic, but thus far i consider it ST with a bit of cleave. Other than these two fights i agree with you, Tichondrius is AOE packed, same goes for Aluriel, and the rest is ST throughout.

I don't know your trinket, and i my self run with 4-5 trinkets i swap between depending on the fight im about to face. First being my most "standard" trinket, i run it on pretty much every fight being ST or AOE, its the Horrorslime 895 with a socket on it, being superior to anything else that i've gotten. My second trinket, which i use 80% of the time is a statstick 860 ilvl, with crit on, so nothing big but it out performs 90% of the trinkets, so it's fairly decent.

Situationally i use Eye of skovald (heavy AOE (skorpyron)), Bough of Corruption (not used it this raid tier yet), and Plaguehive which is used on fights where i need the extra haste over crit, which honestly is not very often i used it on Krosus, and it did fairly okay, but whether it out performs a stat stick i dunno.

So yea my answer to you is drop the Aran on every single fight but Skorpyron, and get yourself a statstick or two, since they seem to kick ass now, my self im looking to find that one shiny one with ilvl 895 or higher if its posible with the increased titanforged ilvl in NH being 925.

But GL
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby illwil Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:33 pm

Botanist id call a control fight, we cleave components, but far from what i consider AOE, since it is more about controlling the fight than bursting it down. Chronomatic Anomaly, is another cleave fight since we dont pay direct attention to the adds, but just cleave them down, it might turn to ST with Focused AOE on mythic, but thus far i consider it ST with a bit of cleave. Other than these two fights i agree with you, Tichondrius is AOE packed, same goes for Aluriel, and the rest is ST throughout.
Using this logic what lvl 45 talent do you suggest for the cleave fights? slightly off topic I know. Since it's really just cleave I assume that MI has the best utility here, but if someone was to take RoP do you think it would be more or less stat padding for normal and heroic?
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Xenost Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:00 pm

On 2+ targets RoP beats the shit out of MI, I'd say you want MI for Chronomatic because the cleave and MT are pretty short window during the fight and almost unsignificant; while on botanis you spend a big part of the fight against 3 targets you definitely want RoP there (FP is better than LB on 3 long living targets too so you probably want RoP/FP/CiS for this fight)

Padding doesn't mean that, it's optimization in this case; padding is when you boost your dps doing things that don't contribute to succeding on the encounter. (for the sole purpose of having a bigger dps)
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby illwil Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:34 pm

Padding doesn't mean that, it's optimization in this case; padding is when you boost your dps doing things that don't contribute to succeding on the encounter. (for the sole purpose of having a bigger dps)
I understand padding. What I meant by my statement was that if you were speccing to get absurdly high dps for adds that are somewhat insignificant compared to having extra single target damage to get the boss down quicker.

Obviously the biggest thing will be learning timing for the adds and knowing when to bank RoP
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby dioneslol Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:00 pm

I havea 890 Crono Shard, 875 Urn, 875 Horn, 880 Sinew with socket, 865 Aran with chest

For me with Rune Sinew/crono is the best combo, I dont even think its because of sinew use, is just that I lose so much crit :(

For AoE I'm still not sure, Aran is a for sure but I cant decide betwen urn and crono shard.

Sims are so strange right now, Every time I change one piece of gear the stats weights go crazy and swap places hahaha I do have 16% haste so I might be really close to a breakpoint
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby illwil Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:59 pm

I havea 890 Crono Shard, 875 Urn, 875 Horn, 880 Sinew with socket, 865 Aran with chest

For me with Rune Sinew/crono is the best combo, I dont even think its because of sinew use, is just that I lose so much crit :(

For AoE I'm still not sure, Aran is a for sure but I cant decide betwen urn and crono shard.

Sims are so strange right now, Every time I change one piece of gear the stats weights go crazy and swap places hahaha I do have 16% haste so I might be really close to a breakpoint
For single target you should probably be using horn, and chrono with mirror image.

for AOE I would assume arans with the urn for the mastery. It's ok if you lose crit for the aoe...mastery jumps way ahead with only two targets.

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