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In regard to your third paragraph, don't respread LB with IB until all of them have exploded, otherwise they'll get the duration added on, but they won't explode.

hi, is this real ? i just finished reading the fire guide it says otherwise, refreshing it anywhere in between the 0 sec explosion to 3.5 secs remaining duration will give u the explosion AND also maintaining the uptime of living bomb, quoting directly from dutchmagoz's fire guide -

[With Living Bomb talented] http://www.wowhead.com/spell=44457/living-bomb Keep living bomb up on the target. you can refresh living bomb anywhere in the last 3.5 seconds without losing uptime or explosion damage. In higher ilvl gear (~685+) living bomb becomes a single target DPS loss to use, so simply don't use it all then. You should sim it for yourself to be a 100% sure, but 685 seems the breakeven point roughly to stop using LB on. (for single target)

Mod: I have just split this and the following posts into a new thread as OP was asking about tracking multiple Living Bombs

Refreshing through recasting LB and refreshing through spread-refresh with IB are different. Spread-refreshed LBs do not explode.

hi frosted, thank you for the quick reply to help clearing my doubt.

I have been reading http://bbs.ngacn.cc/read.php?tid=7375177&_fp=2&_ff=182" target="_blank regarding living bomb explosions. According to the forum the thing is still live on WOD and is being used by the chinese. Not much discussion about this is going on here so im doubting whether it works or its not practical to use.

the thread says on 2 targets, target A and target B both having same duration living bomb.
scenario,
1, when target A living bomb duration <2.5s , inferno blast A, then inferno blast B, will trigger 3 explosions
2, when target A living bomb duration <1s, inferno blast A, will trigger 3 explosions

on 3 targets, target A. B and C all having same duration living bomb
scenario,
1, when target A living bomb duration is in between 2s to 2.5s, inferno blast A, then inferno blast B, will trigger 4 explosions
2, when target A living bomb duration is in between 1.5s to 2s, inferno blast A, then inferno blast B, will trigger 5 explosions
3, when target A living bomb duration is below 1s, inferno blast A, will trigger 5 explosions.

The thread was created before T17 and they are more focused on concluding arcane spec therefore there is no conclusion on how to utilize n optimize this and the OP will give out more details when there are conclusions and playstyles to share .

I've read that thread before (and posted in it too), but now it looks like I misunderstood what they were trying to do back then.

It does work. It's just abusing the IB spread delay for extra explosions. I'm not sure how practical it is with repeated IB usage during a fight though.

Refreshing through recasting LB and refreshing through spread-refresh with IB are different. Spread-refreshed LBs do not explode.

So if I refresh LB on Target A < 3.6 sec and then IB, LB won't explode on targets they were spread onto? I don't think I quite understand the mechanics on LB and spreading with IB and not missing explosions. How should I be optimizing my play to avoid missing explosions? Is it possible to get a scenario explanation?

Beastlord....

As the adds come out you apply LB to the beastlord and then spread via IB when the adds are in range. IB comes off CD (or you have 2 set so have 2 charges) and there is 2 seconds left on your LB applications....

Correct: Apply LB again. The new (for mages) pandemic mechanic will allow your previous LB to explode before the next bomb is automatically refreshed (as long as you refreshed in the last 3.6 seconds of LB). In MoP, you would have over written the first bomb with your latest bomb and you would have missed out on the explosion. After the 1st bomb has exploded and the new bomb is now ticking, it is now safe to spread to surrounding targets.

Wrong: Apply LB again, immediately spread LB to surrounding targets. Because the 2nd LB was applied using the LB spell, the pandemic will mechanic will still apply and the explosion will still occur on the main target an then the 2nd bomb will automatically be applied after the 1st has exploded. The surrounding targets will not as they have not had LB applied via the LB spell and so the pandemic mechanic doesn't apply. Just like MoP days, the bombs have been overwritten causing you to miss out on their explosions.

Thanks a bunch for that Chev. So simply just don't spread LB right after you refresh it and I should be fine?

Beastlord....

As the adds come out you apply LB to the beastlord and then spread via IB when the adds are in range. IB comes off CD (or you have 2 set so have 2 charges) and there is 2 seconds left on your LB applications....

Correct: Apply LB again. The new (for mages) pandemic mechanic will allow your previous LB to explode before the next bomb is automatically refreshed (as long as you refreshed in the last 3.6 seconds of LB). In MoP, you would have over written the first bomb with your latest bomb and you would have missed out on the explosion. After the 1st bomb has exploded and the new bomb is now ticking, it is now safe to spread to surrounding targets.

Wrong: Apply LB again, immediately spread LB to surrounding targets. Because the 2nd LB was applied using the LB spell, the pandemic will mechanic will still apply and the explosion will still occur on the main target an then the 2nd bomb will automatically be applied after the 1st has exploded. The surrounding targets will not as they have not had LB applied via the LB spell and so the pandemic mechanic doesn't apply. Just like MoP days, the bombs have been overwritten causing you to miss out on their explosions.

Just wanted to point out that's a really good answer and example

the thread says on 2 targets, target A and target B both having same duration living bomb.
scenario,
1, when target A living bomb duration <2.5s , inferno blast A, then inferno blast B, will trigger 3 explosions
2, when target A living bomb duration <1s, inferno blast A, will trigger 3 explosions

Is the second one fixed? I am able to recreate scenario 1 but not 2.

Double explosion when spreading at sub 1 second durations has been fixed.

Komma is right,
chinese forum also confirmed that this living bomb "trick" is fixed.
http://bbs.ngacn.cc/read.php?tid=7877141&_ff=182" target="_blank

I suppose this thread should be closed.

For all your questions on living bomb, please refer to this thread:

http://altered-time.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1313" target="_blank