Guide to Thermally Voiding your Enemies in 7.2.5

[Arandomperson]

The reason uptime of the buff is a bigger predictor of DPS is because it's in direct correlation with the number of shattered icelances you used, which is your biggest dmg percentage.

[Drozzy]

Small note I'd add regarding stacks with the bracers. While I wouldn't recommend foregoing frostbolts to maintain the buff, if there is movement required, as there often is, casting an unbuffed ice lance, and getting a small bit of movement isn't that bad. Ice lance damage isn't negligible anymore even without shattering it. For me, it actually does more damage than frostbolt (Similar or less damage after factoring in mastery and chain reaction). The biggest important reason we cast frostbolt is for brain freeze, not for frostbolt damage, at least with mag bracers.

[Syxx]

I just got whispers in the dark and it's awesome (consistently getting ~700k over five minutes on the training dummy). But one thing I noticed is during a proc if I water jet it like comes out too fast or something, and doesn't seem to combo with my frost bolt no matter what timing I use.

[kuroyume]

Thanks for the useful notes on bracers, it makes sense.

[Xinder]

I just got whispers in the dark and it's awesome (consistently getting ~700k over five minutes on the training dummy). But one thing I noticed is during a proc if I water jet it like comes out too fast or something, and doesn't seem to combo with my frost bolt no matter what timing I use.

You'll have to figure out the timing but it will work. It's just like having to adjust timing when you're under IV and Lust. You have to Water Jet either after you've launched Frostbolt or that the very end of the frostbolt cast to get your 2 charges out of waterjet. It's just all about figuring out timing. You may have to cast frost bolt and water jet as it's in flight. It will just take trial and error to figure it out. The reason it seems off is because any buffs you get apply to your water ele so his water jet is also going faster.

[Syxx]

Lonely winter is simming (and parsing on dummy) considerably higher than having a pet. Sim is a little over 800k and reality was about 830-850 over 5 minutes with double lust double pot.

[Venno]

Lonely winter is simming (and parsing on dummy) considerably higher than having a pet. Sim is a little over 800k and reality was about 830-850 over 5 minutes with double lust double pot.

Yeah someone asked me if I tried it, so I did and freaked. Did not think the damage would increase by that much. New favourite build!

[Seprest]

Lonely winter is simming below on single target for me, still. Maybe it is that I have a decent amount of unwanted mastery boosting water ele damage? Not sure. Is this in practice or is it actually simming better? Can imagine two target ice lance cleave damage increase will be worth it.

[Makz]

Picked up on Frost this week, unfortunately as its my offspec i only have 900 ilevel(but 2x IV relics) and 36 traits. Running no frost leges, 4pc, whispers and 902 equipped, Ray of Frost is simming higher than BC/LW.

So how/where do u play RoF in the rotation? The question is mostly about IV/CttC and the fact that the channel is 10 seconds and TV build is about maintaining high IV uptime.

[topsu]

Lonely winter is simming (and parsing on dummy) considerably higher than having a pet. Sim is a little over 800k and reality was about 830-850 over 5 minutes with double lust double pot.

I dont think you can test reality with just one try, because sometimes you can get a lot better procs and sometimes worse which is why simulationcraft does +10k parses for example on my sim with 10k parses lowest parse was 514k and highest 687k

[nirdana]

Picked up on Frost this week, unfortunately as its my offspec i only have 900 ilevel(but 2x IV relics) and 36 traits. Running no frost leges, 4pc, whispers and 902 equipped, Ray of Frost is simming higher than BC/LW.

So how/where do u play RoF in the rotation? The question is mostly about IV/CttC and the fact that the channel is 10 seconds and TV build is about maintaining high IV uptime.

I most cases u use it With whisper up. But if you Re not really lucky in the burst on that proc, you generally use your cds (jet, Ebon Bolt, orb) and then for the Last ten second of cttc (or sooner, if you ran out of procs) you cast another rune (if tallented) and channel rof.
With decent gear you have like 1.5M dps after cttc end s.

[Illeriia]

I couldn't really imagine using Lonely Winter in most situations considering I have the gloves. I've been hitting 100% uptime on hard single target fights such as star augur, which can meet a 100% casting uptime. Give or take luck/rng with the uptime, but I usually come within 20 seconds of my next icy veins at the very least, unless I mess up. Not at home so I can't sim it, but I could definitely see Lonely Winter being viable on fights where you might not be able to hit water jet on cooldown and get 2 procs out of it, such as krosus or elisande.

[Klitochris]

Long time observer of the frost forums, although relatively new to the spec (I just started using it on ST fights a week ago due to my horrible rng on ST legendaries to my fire spec).

I have a HC Odyn chest and a pair of Mythic Dragons gloves (with socket) bolstering my crit to shatter cap and a passive haste at 29% (Im also using Whispers 895 and Metronome 885).

Using the Krosus chest (mythic) and HC augur gloves gives me 4p, but my stats are vastly different. I dont reach the shatter cap even with foodbuff, and my haste is around 21%.

Further on to my question at hand - HOW GOOD IS 4P (?)

Is it worth "ruining" my stats to get that 4P or is 2P solid enough?

Thanks on advance.

[Illeriia]

Long time observer of the frost forums, although relatively new to the spec (I just started using it on ST fights a week ago due to my horrible rng on ST legendaries to my fire spec).

I have a HC Odyn chest and a pair of Mythic Dragons gloves (with socket) bolstering my crit to shatter cap and a passive haste at 29% (Im also using Whispers 895 and Metronome 885).

Using the Krosus chest (mythic) and HC augur gloves gives me 4p, but my stats are vastly different. I dont reach the shatter cap even with foodbuff, and my haste is around 21%.

Further on to my question at hand - HOW GOOD IS 4P (?)

Is it worth "ruining" my stats to get that 4P or is 2P solid enough?

Thanks on advance.

I personally feel like this is one of those "sim yourself" situations. Our tier chest is abysmal stat wise, but as I have the legendary gloves it takes those out as an option. I'm currently not at shatter cap at an 896 ilvl with food buff, even with an 880 int/crit stat stick on, yet 4 piece is still a bigger gain for me in every situation that I've simmed, even with swapping in 895 crit/haste gear.

[Rinoa]

Stickied.

[Syxx]

I hit the dream crit (33 percent) so now my crit value dropped so much, and my highest stat weight after int is verse lol

[Skion]

I am having trouble with IV uptime, is there anyone that can give tips on what to use when WJ, FO?
Ive searched for videos but youtube is mostly filled with uninteresting PvP videos not related to my search.

[Syxx]

do water jet first get 2 fof, then do frozen orb after consuming them. don't forget to use blizzard if you can cleave and reduce the cd of frozen orb. your haste has to be pretty decent to use tv in my opinion. having the legendary gloves helps a ton. It's absolutely vital that you use brain freeze correctly. it's always icebolt, flurry, ice lance, unless you do ebonbolt, flurry ice lance. VERY IMPORTANT.

[Skion]

do water jet first get 2 fof, then do frozen orb after consuming them. don't forget to use blizzard if you can cleave and reduce the cd of frozen orb. your haste has to be pretty decent to use tv in my opinion. having the legendary gloves helps a ton. It's absolutely vital that you use brain freeze correctly. it's always icebolt, flurry, ice lance, unless you do ebonbolt, flurry ice lance. VERY IMPORTANT.

I know how to use the flurry proc to make the icelance shatter but even with this technique I still only go to the minute mark, maybe like 50 secs left on Icy veins.

I usually have BC/FT and have gloves, but seem to struggle. Maybe I am just unlucky

[Acris]

Hey, I'm considering switching from Fire to Frost (yeah) since I got four non DPS-legendaries for fire, so it won't hurt that bad.
I juste have a quick question considering trinkets : I have Arcano 865, Whisper in the Dark 880 and Horn of Valor ( from Dungeon) 890, and I'm wondering which one to chose. Horn feels very strong with Icy veins lasting 30+ seconds, compared to Combustion being 10sec only ( even if it empowered MI for 75% of its duration). Also, with the Horn, wouldn't it be interesting to keep playing MI as a frost mage ?
Thanks in advance