Frost Talents, Stat Weights, Racials, Trinkets, FAQ
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:02 am
A ton of people are asking about stat weights and how talents compare, so I've gone ahead and run all the current talent iterations and sim'd out their respective stat weights. This is why you see some people saying vers is bad, or haste is bad - they've probably sim'd the talent setup they are using and seen those values shift around. To see how you want to gear, check out the stat weights for whatever talent combo you're using. (or sim yourself! I wrote a guide on how to do so over in the General section)
Note: ALL talent combos have IV glyphed.
NOTE: If you are having problems with SimC, or think something is wrong, you MUST include a pastebin (pastebin.com) of the profile you ran which brought about the problem. It is 100% impossible for anyone to help you figure out why some weird thing (like CC being shown as worthless in SimC, which is a common problem people have) if you do not do this.
Table of Contents:
1)Single Target Talent Comparisons - HFC
2)Single Target Stat Weights - HFC
3)Two Target Talent Comparisons - HFC
4)Three Target Talent Comparisons - HFC
5)Frost Racials
6)Trinket Comparsions
6)Frequently Asked Questions
Simple Trinket Chart:
Pairwise Comparisons:
downloads.simulationcraft.org/Frost/2015_7_16_frostH_pairwise_trinkets.html
Q1 ) Should I be holding Frozen Orb for Prismatic Crystal?
A1 ) Yes. In almost every scenario it is a DPS increase
Q2 ) Should I delay MI for IV?
A2 ) No, for both Glyphed and Unglyphed.
Q3 ) If I have Copelands Clarity, should I hold off on using it to sync with IV?
A3a ) Definitely not if you have MI as well
A3b ) If you don't have MI, it's fine either way.
Q4 ) How do I figure out what stats I want to get after MS?
A4 ) You sim yourself. There is no other real way to do it. There is no "MS > x > y > z " standard rule for Frost mage stat weights. It's very reliant upon your gear and talents. You must sim yourself.
Q5 ) What is the best weapon enchant?
A5 ) Thunderlord/Frostwolf
Q6) When can I go X spec? When does Fire > Frost on single target? Or = Frost? What about arcane? (OUTDATED)
Q7) But I really want a Stat Priority?
A7) Int>MS>=Crit>Haste>Vers>Mastery
Q8) Trinkets?
A9) Tome + Unblinking Gaze
Q9) "BiS"?
A9)
Q10) What has changed in 6.2?
A10) Not much, unless you have the Tome trinket! If you do, you want to be weaving Frostbolt/FoF-Ice lance constantly. Yes, even on Prismatic Crystal, you want to be weaving. Even with FBomb. WJ strategy has also changed - it might be best just to use it as soon as it's up and you can get value from it. Just keeping it on CD may be best, but this still needs to be looked into.
Note: ALL talent combos have IV glyphed.
NOTE: If you are having problems with SimC, or think something is wrong, you MUST include a pastebin (pastebin.com) of the profile you ran which brought about the problem. It is 100% impossible for anyone to help you figure out why some weird thing (like CC being shown as worthless in SimC, which is a common problem people have) if you do not do this.
Table of Contents:
1)Single Target Talent Comparisons - HFC
2)Single Target Stat Weights - HFC
3)Two Target Talent Comparisons - HFC
4)Three Target Talent Comparisons - HFC
5)Frost Racials
6)Trinket Comparsions
6)Frequently Asked Questions
Single Target
[/size]Single Target Stat Weights
[/size]Two target (stacked):
[/size]Three target (stacked):
[/size]Racials
[/size]Trinkets
[/size]Simple Trinket Chart:
Pairwise Comparisons:
downloads.simulationcraft.org/Frost/2015_7_16_frostH_pairwise_trinkets.html
Frequently Asked Questions
Q1 ) Should I be holding Frozen Orb for Prismatic Crystal?
A1 ) Yes. In almost every scenario it is a DPS increase
Q2 ) Should I delay MI for IV?
A2 ) No, for both Glyphed and Unglyphed.
Q3 ) If I have Copelands Clarity, should I hold off on using it to sync with IV?
A3a ) Definitely not if you have MI as well
A3b ) If you don't have MI, it's fine either way.
Q4 ) How do I figure out what stats I want to get after MS?
A4 ) You sim yourself. There is no other real way to do it. There is no "MS > x > y > z " standard rule for Frost mage stat weights. It's very reliant upon your gear and talents. You must sim yourself.
Q5 ) What is the best weapon enchant?
A5 ) Thunderlord/Frostwolf
Q6) When can I go X spec? When does Fire > Frost on single target? Or = Frost? What about arcane? (OUTDATED)
Q7) But I really want a Stat Priority?
A7) Int>MS>=Crit>Haste>Vers>Mastery
Q8) Trinkets?
A9) Tome + Unblinking Gaze
Q9) "BiS"?
A9)
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main_hand=edict_of_argus,id=124382,bonus_id=566,enchant=mark_of_the_frostwolfA10) Not much, unless you have the Tome trinket! If you do, you want to be weaving Frostbolt/FoF-Ice lance constantly. Yes, even on Prismatic Crystal, you want to be weaving. Even with FBomb. WJ strategy has also changed - it might be best just to use it as soon as it's up and you can get value from it. Just keeping it on CD may be best, but this still needs to be looked into.
). Now i'm planning to get MS proc trinket from Everbloom, but maybe Haste proc trinket can be better than that for bursting on crystal (since it's all we have in terms of overall output). Or as i was saying in the first post, maybe DMC card trinket would be better than Genesaur's blood (looking at pull variations, burst can vary between 40-60k just because IN doesnt/does crit).
We're always looking to improve the APLs and keep them current.