Sugge's [Mage] Guide to Blackrock Foundry [Heroic/Mythic]

[Kasc]

I'm surprised you haven't suggested Frost of Hans and Fran.

Lot's of movement, 2 target cleave. Plays right in to Frost's strengths, more so than Arcane at least.

[Sugg3]

I'm surprised you haven't suggested Frost of Hans and Fran.

Lot's of movement, 2 target cleave. Plays right in to Frost's strengths, more so than Arcane at least.

I haven't mentioned Frost on any fights since Fire/Arcane is going to be the superior combination OVERALL.

Frost will do fine on any of the bosses, both single and cleave.

[Anarza]

Was doing some testing yesterday and it seems like the Glyph of Slow can work really well on Flamebender's wolves. The continuous ranged slow helped a lot with kiting responsibilities.

[benga]

This guide is awesome, thanks.

[ShaObito]

Isn't Kindling a not very good talent in terms of DPS compared to meteor?

Why are you so set on haste as a secondary? The secondaries for arcane are really close. With you going fire on half of the fights, wouldn't it be a better use of your rolls/coins to go for Mastery/Crit gear only?

You only really have arcane stuff in the coin list and you don't really say much except list a few pieces of loot from each section, I don't really know why it's there. It's not really a coin list, but more of a loot drop list.

[Sugg3]

Isn't Kindling a not very good talent in terms of DPS compared to meteor?

Why are you so set on haste as a secondary? The secondaries for arcane are really close. With you going fire on half of the fights, wouldn't it be a better use of your rolls/coins to go for Mastery/Crit gear only?

You only really have arcane stuff in the coin list and you don't really say much except list a few pieces of loot from each section, I don't really know why it's there. It's not really a coin list, but more of a loot drop list.

Kindling works for some fights, but generally Meteor will be superior.

As we mainly will progress as Arcane, I will opt. to suggest for using the gear that will best for Arcane. This gear will also be BiS for Fire with 4-set T17 for the fights that you will play as Fire with optimal usage (i.e. Not single target).

But if you're planning on going Fire fulltime you should instead like you say opt. for Crit and Mastery as off-pieces.

[Sugg3]

Was doing some testing yesterday and it seems like the Glyph of Slow can work really well on Flamebender's wolves. The continuous ranged slow helped a lot with kiting responsibilities.

Yep, this totally works. Will put it under "Tips & Tricks".

[Sugg3]

This guide is awesome, thanks.

Glad you found it useful, GL in BRF!

[Adambrew]

Really nice guide!

[Sugg3]

Really nice guide!

Glad you like it, hopefully it comes to some use aswell!

[Joban]

Thanks for the guide. Came in handy a few times so far this week. Was able to pull 47k dps on Beastlord, thanks to your advice on the no combustion glyph + kindling. How crazy will that fight be when we get our 4-piece? Saved my healers about 3 million in healing done on Flamebender, by getting targeted 3 times and ice blocking or invising them. I still feel like I am in-between specs/talents on a few fights though, but it mostly just comes down to getting comfortable with the fights.

[Annoyed]

Hello just found this forum trough this post, I started reading and got a bit baffled tbh...
Ive been away for quite some time, back when I was playing I was a hardcore raider but don't have the time etc atm but Im trying my best to progress with a few irl friends and without a raiding guild.
I feel like Ive been reading everywhere that Frost is the go to build and that Arcane is better damage but only when there isn't much movement involved and that Fire isn't really working at all... When did this change?
When did Frost become the weakest build path?
And when is it viable to switch to fire for example?
Atm I use more or less only frost in raids and Arcane when grinding rep etc.

[zhengma]

Hi Sugge, I studied the second phase of the Oregorger encounter with a fellow raider last night and made a presentation.

You might have known these results for months, and they're indeed not mage-specific. However, if you think these results are valid and worthy of sharing, feel free to integrate some of them into your guide.

[Sugg3]

Hi Sugge, I studied the second phase of the Oregorger encounter with a fellow raider last night and made a presentation.

You might have known these results for months, and they're indeed not mage-specific. However, if you think these results are valid and worthy of sharing, feel free to integrate some of them into your guide.

I did not Zheng, well done! A very convincing analysis and is definitely going under "Tips & Tricks".

[Sugg3]

Thanks for the guide. Came in handy a few times so far this week. Was able to pull 47k dps on Beastlord, thanks to your advice on the no combustion glyph + kindling. How crazy will that fight be when we get our 4-piece? Saved my healers about 3 million in healing done on Flamebender, by getting targeted 3 times and ice blocking or invising them. I still feel like I am in-between specs/talents on a few fights though, but it mostly just comes down to getting comfortable with the fights.

Yeh, the individual mechanics for each spec will come with research and practice... as will the fights. Glad you could make some use of the guide!

[Sugg3]

Hello just found this forum trough this post, I started reading and got a bit baffled tbh...
Ive been away for quite some time, back when I was playing I was a hardcore raider but don't have the time etc atm but Im trying my best to progress with a few irl friends and without a raiding guild.
I feel like Ive been reading everywhere that Frost is the go to build and that Arcane is better damage but only when there isn't much movement involved and that Fire isn't really working at all... When did this change?
When did Frost become the weakest build path?
And when is it viable to switch to fire for example?
Atm I use more or less only frost in raids and Arcane when grinding rep etc.

Both Fire and Arcane recieved significant buffs some weeks ago. Making Frost "a little bit" weaker then the other two (in their respective fields).

Frost is still viable for almost any fight since it's an "all around" solid spec for both single target, cleave and multitarget (AoE).

[Annoyed]

Both Fire and Arcane recieved significant buffs some weeks ago. Making Frost "a little bit" weaker then the other two (in their respective fields).

Frost is still viable for almost any fight since it's an "all around" solid spec for both single target, cleave and multitarget (AoE).

Ok that explains alot...
Tho I read that Fire got 15% increased crit instead of 5% but I must have missed other buffs...
I can't remember reading anything about Arcane getting buffed...
Is there something else buffed with fire except for the 15% instead of 5%?

[Chev]

Ok that explains alot...
Tho I read that Fire got 15% increased crit instead of 5% but I must have missed other buffs...
I can't remember reading anything about Arcane getting buffed...
Is there something else buffed with fire except for the 15% instead of 5%?

That is all Fire received buff wise. They also received a slight nerf to Pyroblast. If I remember correctly, it was a 5% reduction in damage from Pyroblast.

[Sugg3]

Ok that explains alot...
Tho I read that Fire got 15% increased crit instead of 5% but I must have missed other buffs...
I can't remember reading anything about Arcane getting buffed...
Is there something else buffed with fire except for the 15% instead of 5%?

That is all Fire received buff wise. They also received a slight nerf to Pyroblast. If I remember correctly, it was a 5% reduction in damage from Pyroblast.

When Fire got it's first buff, Arcane also got buffed by ~14-16% for single target. The buff you are talking about is the second buff/nerf to Fire. These changes were made along with tons of class hotfixes back in early WoD.

[Methusula]

Ok that explains alot...
Tho I read that Fire got 15% increased crit instead of 5% but I must have missed other buffs...
I can't remember reading anything about Arcane getting buffed...
Is there something else buffed with fire except for the 15% instead of 5%?

That is all Fire received buff wise. They also received a slight nerf to Pyroblast. If I remember correctly, it was a 5% reduction in damage from Pyroblast.

When Fire got it's first buff, Arcane also got buffed by ~14-16% for single target. The buff you are talking about is the second buff/nerf to Fire. These changes were made along with tons of class hotfixes back in early WoD.

Yeah, there are those buffs and the tier set bonuses. They are significantly better for Arcane and Fire.