Frost Talents, Stat Weights, Racials, Trinkets, FAQ

[Ssang]

Hello everyone, I'm trying to understand something odd I'm seeing when simming my 697 frost mage, when I run single-target sims, it tells me that mastery is my best stat by a significant margin, which conflicts with all advice I've read on the subject, was hoping someone could shed some insight onto what might be happening here to cause my stat weights to diverge like this.

Here's a pastebin of my simC profile I ran: http://pastebin.com/dNBe36sP" target="_blank

I ran the sim with a 450s fight duration, patchwerk style fight, elite, 50,000 iterations, and single-target.

I know that stat weights will fluctuate generally speaking depending on exact iLvl, set bonuses, talent choices, etc, but I'm curious if anyone has any insight into what specifically might be going on here, and whether it might be worth me investing effort into regemming/enchanting to take advantage of these stat weights as I gear up, or whether I should just stick with the recommended MS emphasis as I have been doing.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide!

I was going to post something similar as well concerning mastery, so I am glad I am not alone in seeing this. From swapping stats on crafted gear, etc. it appears that at a certain ceiling for multi and floor for mastery, SimC values mastery > multi. Most of these sims were done prior to 4pT18 (acquired yesterday evening), so I will continue testing - currently multi and mastery appear very close to equal.

[Raencloud]

Does the trinket comparison need to be updated to reflect live ilvls or are those numbers just typos in the names? The following have different ilvls on live than in the screenshot (values in parens are those shown in the screenshot):

H-Mage Trinket --> 720 (710)
N-Mage Trinket --> 705 (695)
M-Prophecy --> 730 (725)
M-Insignia --> 720 (725)
H-Prophecy --> 715 (710)
H-Insignia --> 705 (710)
M-Piston --> 720 (725)
N-Prism* --> 705 (695)
N-Prophecy --> 700 (695)
N-Insignia --> 690 (695)
H-Piston --> 705 (710)
N-Piston --> 690 (695)

*Assuming 695_flat_stats_all is referencing the Chipped Soul Prism from Kazzak.

Anyway just curious if this chart needs updating, because most of the trinkets have higher ilvls than what's shown in the screenshot, except for Piston and Insignia which have lower ilvls. If the results reflect the older ilvls then Insignia and Piston are vastly overvalued in that list.

[Frosted]

it's just a naming issue. The actual trinket simmed is fine. I just never updated the names.

[hungerr]

Why is UM ranking higher than frost bomb in both single and cleave fights? what am i missing here?

[februs]

I am seeing mastery take over as top stat in simulation craft as well. Is this correct, an error in simulationCraft, or a setup error? Anyone have any insight?

Here is my simulation craft profile for those interested:
http://pastebin.com/HVcf2ks4

[Frosted]

I don't know.

I don't think it's an error in SimC. There just seems to be some really weird point where mastery > x. But it seems to be a very narrow window where this exists. i.e. it's a local phenomena around your stat level, not a general trend.

I don't quite understand it, so I'm hesitant to say much about it. I would run reforge plots to see exactly how much mastery is worth picking up.

[Frosted]

Talents in OP updated to reflect recent trinket fixes.

[Myrdinn]

Trinket section should be updated to reflect recent PoF removal.

[Frosted]

Trinket section should be updated to reflect recent PoF removal.

Already has been.

[Myrdinn]

Not in Q8/A9

Q8) Trinkets?
A9) Tome + Prophecy

[Frosted]

Done.

[Dizzeeyooo]

Maybe not the right thread for this, but since its a question...

Has anyone else noticed a huge buff to our Splitting Ice cleave range today? Hunters / Shamans I'm raiding with are noticing the same thing with their respective cleave abilities

Stuff like still being able to hit Archimonde + Doomfire even when no attempt is made to stack them, etc

[Searix]

I've been tying Comet Storm exclusively to Mark of Doom procs on aoe fights with some success (Xhul, Mannoroth, Archimonde, etc.). Wondering if it overtakes TV on such fights?

Here's a log, Doom Nova did 16.85% of my dps: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ct ... source=232" target="_blank

[MoleDude]

Maybe not the right thread for this, but since its a question...

Has anyone else noticed a huge buff to our Splitting Ice cleave range today? Hunters / Shamans I'm raiding with are noticing the same thing with their respective cleave abilities

Stuff like still being able to hit Archimonde + Doomfire even when no attempt is made to stack them, etc

This was in the hotfix notes for today. I haven't played yet, but it makes sense.

Hellfire Citadel
General

Fixed an issue where using chaining abilities against very large targets could cause the ability to not chain correctly to smaller targets.

[Dizzeeyooo]

...

literally noticed this in the notes as you posted here, couldn't work out why my cleave was back to being terrible on daily quest mobs in Tannan, then saw the hotfix note

[Frosted]

Added pairwise trinket comparisons.

[Voltairus]

Frosted, forgive me if it's been talked about somewhere and I haven't seen it. But, would you be kind enough to explain how the simcraft profile you have posted in the OP prioritizes certain things? Examples

1. When going from the 3rd stack of FoF to a potential 4th stack, while holding 2 charges of Brain Freeze.. which does it choose to use, ice lance or Frostfire Bolt?

2. Does it save and use Frozen Orb with Prismatic Crystal regardless of if Water Jet is off cooldown at the same time?

3. Does the profile have the water elemental channel water jet into prismatic crystal? If so, does it ignore Brain Freeze procs or use them during said channel of water jet into prismatic crystal?

Any information you could provide on this would be much appreciated. There is one other thing, but I do believe it's one of those things you'd have to sit and fiddle with for a while in the APL to figure out and haven't dedicated the time to doing. But, if you have or have any theories on it I would be appreciative to hear your thoughts.

* If it's any real loss/gain of DPS to delay Water Jet in order to start the channel off with 0 stacks of Fingers of Frost to maximize FoF generation as a whole or to just start the channel with a few stacks of FoF already. The other part of this would be about when you have like Thermal Void talented and how to best utilize Frozen Orb when not used on a group of adds. I've heard different people say different things about to use it on CD regardless of if it pairs up with Water Jet. Others saying to delay Frozen Orb. I think answering the first part, of whether or not its best to maximize FoF generation with Water Jet would go a long way into solving this part.

[Breaktheice]

^You can check that via the APL of the default Frost mage profile.

My question is, been simming my mage without glyphed Icy Veins on Frost Bomb builds and it actually does better than with glyphed Icy Veins? Anyone else seeing this?

Edit > Granted, Bomb doesn't inherit MS but still... wanted to confirm if this is normal

[Frosted]

^You can check that via the APL of the default Frost mage profile.

My question is, been simming my mage without glyphed Icy Veins on Frost Bomb builds and it actually does better than with glyphed Icy Veins? Anyone else seeing this?

Edit > Granted, Bomb doesn't inherit MS but still... wanted to confirm if this is normal

Komma was looking into different secondaries and how they are valued with different talent setups and noticed that haste is valued much higher for Fbomb set up than other talent setups(with 4pc+Tome, I believe was the background the data was collected in). I'm not certain yet that it's so good that it's > MS and worth unglyphing for, but it could be possible and is something that is being looked into currently.

[FabioAggra]

Sorry if this has been answered before but I couldn't find it. Do the trinket sims in the first page are up to date with the recent (semi-recent?) nerfs to the Archimonde trinket?