Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby magictricks Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:21 pm

Dont take UM, drop your crystal at 0 stacks, spam AB's at the crystal and dont use SN until it procs or attack the boss in any way shape or form.

Even with this you still only have about 50% chance for it to proc on the crystal.
Dropping PC at 0 AC is not a DPS gain.

Pretty sure having mark of doom go on your crystal at 0 stacks is better then having it go on the boss at 2 stacks.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Frosted Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:16 pm

Dont take UM, drop your crystal at 0 stacks, spam AB's at the crystal and dont use SN until it procs or attack the boss in any way shape or form.

Even with this you still only have about 50% chance for it to proc on the crystal.
Dropping PC at 0 AC is not a DPS gain.

Pretty sure having mark of doom go on your crystal at 0 stacks is better then having it go on the boss at 2 stacks.
It's not.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Rabona Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:46 pm

Dont take UM, drop your crystal at 0 stacks, spam AB's at the crystal and dont use SN until it procs or attack the boss in any way shape or form.

Even with this you still only have about 50% chance for it to proc on the crystal.
Dropping PC at 0 AC is not a DPS gain.

Pretty sure having mark of doom go on your crystal at 0 stacks is better then having it go on the boss at 2 stacks.
But you can't even be sure about that because the UM and PC "cleave" on the boss can procc MoD?! And it's not like dropping PC at 0 is without its downsides. You have to cast two more shitty ABs into your crystal, you lose your precast AB and potentially give up an AB(4), because you use PoM early, you also have two AB cast's worth of AM proccs less for your crystal.
I don't think this is something you can argue with intuition. sims / log analysis is needed.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Curnivore Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:06 pm

You have to cast two more shitty ABs into your crystal
You got to sim that because unless I missed something, by reducing the stacks from 4 to 3 at the triggering of the crystal I got a small DPS advantage, and it was even an advantage at 2 if I recall correctly. It was also surprising that any such change was not a big change on DPS. But it is true that Unstable Magic can ruin it anyway so there's that.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby magictricks Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:50 pm

I have no idea how to use simcraft, but it shouldn't be hard to test a 30 second fight where:

1. Crystal at 0 stacks and mod on PC
2. 4 AB, PC and mod on boss at 1, 2 or 3 ABs.

right?
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Frosted Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:47 pm

I have no idea how to use simcraft, but it shouldn't be hard to test a 30 second fight where:

1. Crystal at 0 stacks and mod on PC
2. 4 AB, PC and mod on boss at 1, 2 or 3 ABs.

right?
I did when this stuff was first being suggested, and it is why I'm telling you it is a DPS loss.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby DyLemma Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:41 am

I've been dropping at 0 stacks lately and most of the time in raids the proc usually procs on boss which is very annoying and results in pretty low opener. But when I do get a proc on crystal it's only somewhat worth it. Yes you have a better chance at getting more consistent procs on crystal and doing a DECENT opener but it will not get you a better then average or highest opener possible I've found out. I just tried doing what is recommended and dropping after 2 ABs if mark has not procced yet, I got a really great opener when I got a proc on crystal after 2 AB's and I get an OK opener when I do 4 ABs then put my crystal down and use missiles on boss, it does the job. I do not however use my cooldowns > missiles into boss > drop crystal. I feel like you really want to sync your crystal and legendary ring together or else it's a pretty severe DPS loss. As soon as you see legendary ring popped you should be putting crystal down (in my opinion) it yields the highest DPS for me.

Log to prove I'm not a scrub. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j9 ... w=rankings" target="_blank
This pull I actually dropped crystal on pull. It was a decent opener but again you're losing so much potential doing this even though I got R1 for my bracket I could have probably gotten a better opener if of course with some luck added. This pull I got lucky and got a proc on crystal and it's probably because I was out of combat for a really long time and it procced right away because it was the start of raid time. So it's possible if you've been out of combat for 3 minutes it may be, MAY be worth it to drop on pull. But again your crystal damage could just as easily make it proc on boss. It's all luck at the end of the day, I am going to from now on just 2x AB no proc > crystal OR 3x or 4x arcane blast depending on lust or not w/ ring and drop crystal. Again like I said I feel like as soon as you see ring is popped you should crystal right after your next arcane blast as you want the full duration of crystal during ring to get a big ring pop. I think I can say the odds of dropping crystal on pull and get 2pc procs/missiles is so slim you'd have to get a miracle to get a godlike opener with it. It's extremely rare. Not worth it, I can say that.

Just a few pulls and I got one of my best openers in awhile.
Pull after 2 AB> Proc on Crystal > https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1k ... y&fight=69" target="_blank
Extremely good opener for my ilvl and only 1 2pc proc.
The only thing I think needs tested is legendary sync time w/ crystal and AP. If you should continue to 4 arcane blasts even when legendary ring is popped and mark procced on boss and dump your missiles into boss before putting down crystal or putting down crystal right after ring is popped no matter the circumstance.
This was just a pug to test openers. So was a wipe

Not to mention dropping crystal on pull is just a hassle personally.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Zayele Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:30 pm

Hi, my apologies if this was covered earlier, but is Doom Nova affected by the +20% spell damage from Arcane Power? More generally, do all +spell damage increases affect Doom Nova?
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Unread postby Searix Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:07 pm

Hi, my apologies if this was covered earlier, but is Doom Nova affected by the +20% spell damage from Arcane Power? More generally, do all +spell damage increases affect Doom Nova?
'Again, it can impact Prismatic Crystal and is affected by all player multipliers, including Mana Adept.'

So, yes.

(Also this would've been pretty easy to test)
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby magictricks Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:10 am

I've been dropping at 0 stacks lately and most of the time in raids the proc usually procs on boss which is very annoying and resul.............
No one is debating if 0 stack or 4 stack is better, obviously 4 stack is better, but if you getting to 4 stacks means a MUCH higher chance of MOD going on the boss is it really worth it?.

The way i see it there are 4 possible outcomes.

Best: 4AB, PC, MOD on PC.
Better: PC at 0 stacks, MOD on PC
Average: 4AB MOD on boss, PC
Worst:PC at 0 stacks, MOD on boss

Now the chance of you getting to 4AB WITHOUT MOD proccing on the boss is very low, i'd say 10% low, however dropping PC at 0 giving it 2 AB's will almost always proc MOD on your PC, allowing you to do 2 SN's giving you at least 2 AM procs taking full advantage of both PC and MOD and leaving you at basically full mana.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Komma Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:28 am

however dropping PC at 0 giving it 2 AB's will almost always proc MOD on your PC
I don't get why this is such a common sentiment when your literally first AB casted on the boss has a pretty high chance of proccing MoD. Since when did "almost always" become "if you're lucky"?
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Zelendria Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:08 am

Cast a crappy 0AC PC. Cleave with UM the MoD on to the boss after the eternal wait for the 1st AB.... Not only did you completely ruin your burn going with this tactic, but it didn't even work out. GG
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Curnivore Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:16 am

The only lazy way that makes some sense is to Presence of Mind before the pull with it. But I expect it to still be a minor DPS loss.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Carwey Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:56 pm

Worth noting that currently pretty much all top parses are dropping PC at 0 charges. I see this changing as people dropping PC at 2-4 charges get their lucky pulls with set bonuses & Prophecy proccing on crystal.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Curnivore Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:10 pm

The presence of mind trick makes it decent to be honest because at that point all kinds of haste procs and bufs might be going on on top of it, bringing the player to 4 stacks in a matter of a couple of seconds.

With Berserking it's even more pronounced.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Laodi Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:46 pm

Worth noting that currently pretty much all top parses are dropping PC at 0 charges. I see this changing as people dropping PC at 2-4 charges get their lucky pulls with set bonuses & Prophecy proccing on crystal.
Yes. The maximum will be achieved by that. But if u are unlucky your dps is screwed. People who are farming mythic have the advantage to take this risk. People on progress shouldn't do it.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby magictricks Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:41 pm

Worth noting that currently pretty much all top parses are dropping PC at 0 charges. I see this changing as people dropping PC at 2-4 charges get their lucky pulls with set bonuses & Prophecy proccing on crystal.
Yes. The maximum will be achieved by that. But if u are unlucky your dps is screwed. People who are farming mythic have the advantage to take this risk. People on progress shouldn't do it.

I wouldn't say screwed. PC at 0, AB, AB, MOD goes on boss :( , SN, SN then unload your AMs in to the boss, then AB on PC, POM, AB as it goes away and then carry on like normal on the boss.

Obviously not ideal, but better to shine once or twice on a boss then to be just average constantly.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Searix Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:38 am

Worth noting that currently pretty much all top parses are dropping PC at 0 charges. I see this changing as people dropping PC at 2-4 charges get their lucky pulls with set bonuses & Prophecy proccing on crystal.
link?

Also i think it's probably best to AM at 3 stacks if PoF procs on boss, ring is almost always up by then and it does decent damage, can proc our bonuses, and let's us get more ABs in during the ring
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Laodi Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:45 am

Worth noting that currently pretty much all top parses are dropping PC at 0 charges. I see this changing as people dropping PC at 2-4 charges get their lucky pulls with set bonuses & Prophecy proccing on crystal.
Yes. The maximum will be achieved by that. But if u are unlucky your dps is screwed. People who are farming mythic have the advantage to take this risk. People on progress shouldn't do it.

I wouldn't say screwed. PC at 0, AB, AB, MOD goes on boss :( , SN, SN then unload your AMs in to the boss, then AB on PC, POM, AB as it goes away and then carry on like normal on the boss.

Obviously not ideal, but better to shine once or twice on a boss then to be just average constantly.
Yeah screwed is maybe the wrong word. It ofc depends also heavily on the fight length and your general performance. In a 3 minutes fight the opener is more valuable than in a 8 minutes fight. And ofc you can aim AMs to boss if MoD procced on him. In the end its just a min/max game. You can go a safe way with +-5k DPS or the risky way of +-10k DPS. (all values are out of air). In the end everyone has to decide which way he takes. For toplogs you go the risky way and pray. Thats all.
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Re: Prophecy of Fear [Megathread]

Unread postby Frosted Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:34 pm

I'd imagine PC0 has a higher maximum, but just a lower average. So if you're on farm it'd be better for rank chasing? I suppose.

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