[7.2] Fire Talents, Trinkets, Racials, Stats, Legendary

[Weezdion]

According to current loot lists and with addition of Nighthold raid you want 4 set items from Nighthold, trinkets from EN and all other items from Mythic+10.

[Frosted]

Nighthold is months away, no reason to even consider it right now.

[vishop]

whats the best way to compare trinkets and get outputs like you have for the trinket section frosted? or was that some custom work? i realize the difficulty in posting up every possible trinket at every ilvl, but i would like to compare my available trinkets against each other as well as possible drops and where they may overtake my current trinkets if they WF/sockets etc.

im not super experianced with simC, but i get the basics, im just trying to figure out how to manually edit in different trinkets and adjust their ilvl. especially with out having the item yet so i can know ahead of time what raid trinkets if any i should aim for.

i know this may go out of scope of this thread, but if there is a good resource for this i would love to see it.

[Alzer]

Regarding precast:

Currently we are prepotting with deadly grace then precasting pyroblast but due to its long cast time we are losing valuable time on our potion. Precasting fireball gets us a few seconds extra potion time at the cost of a fireball instead of a pyroblast.

Trying this in simc:

Precasting Pyro
Deadly grace lasts 30 seconds and with a 4.2 sec pyroblast cast (~2k haste) you will have 25.8 seconds of potion uptime:

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override.spell_data=spell.188027.duration=22800

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25.800 pyroprecast loses potion_of_deadly_grace

Precasting Fireball
With a fireball cast time of 1.91 seconds you will have 28.09 seconds of potion uptime:

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override.spell_data=spell.188027.duration=25090

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28.090 fireballprecast loses potion_of_deadly_grace

Precasting nothing:
30 sec potion uptime, opens with RoP:

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override.spell_data=spell.188027.duration=27000

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30.000 noprecast loses potion_of_deadly_grace

High uptime but you lose the potential of heating up from fireball/pyroblast.

Basically the extra dmg from pyroblast over fireball is not enough to offset the extra 2~ seconds of potion uptime.

Tldr: Precast fireball

Everything is run with heroic emerald nightmare profile.

Edit: Above still true for the 33% deadly grace nerf.

[Unreal]

Adding this since it seems the reason why roboMage is doing less dps with the http://www.wowhead.com/item=132410/shard-of-the-exodar is because it's running OOM. If this gets fixed this is what to expect.

So, is this true? No one commented on it and I'm not getting similar results with my sims.

[Weezdion]

Nighthold is months away, no reason to even consider it right now.

Exclude 4 set items and you need 4 more items from Mythic+ 10. Even without that a lot of PvP items are better than EN gear. Overall EN apart from trinkets seems really week compared to other sources of gear.

[nuclearflipz]

Why is the Bough of Corruption not listed in the list? I got it last night and I have no idea where it places in the tier list.

[Torthie]

Why is the Bough of Corruption not listed in the list? I got it last night and I have no idea where it places in the tier list.

Was wondering about this myself got the trinket last night but unsure if its any good or not.

[Hellsmixtape]

I have a +36 ignite and i just got mythic warforged +42 blink, is it worth replacing with the blink?

[Dezign]

As far as I know... item level takes priority over the minor trait.

[whisperingsage]

I have a +36 ignite and i just got mythic warforged +42 blink, is it worth replacing with the blink?

Crit Damage - Better at any item level increase
Fireball Cast Time - Better at any item level increase
Ignite Damage - Better at any item level increase
Fire Blast Damage - Better at A 10 item level increase, Equal at +5 Item levels
Fire Ball Damage - Better at 10 or more item levels above a Pyroblast relic
Cauterizing Blink Relic - Better at 15 or more item levels above a Pyroblast relic
Flame Strike Damage - Better at 15 or more item levels above a Pyroblast relic
Molten Armor Relic - Better at 15 or more item levels above a Pyroblast relic

From the end of the FAQ in the second post

[nuclearflipz]

can we get updated trinket list?

[Sneww]

So. got the legendary bracers a few days ago. Trying to figure out if the + critical damage or +pyro damage relic is better given equal ilvl.

anyone have any insight?

[jimme]

So. got the legendary bracers a few days ago. Trying to figure out if the + critical damage or +pyro damage relic is better given equal ilvl.

anyone have any insight?

Pyro dmg is the best talent of all the talents.

[Nibbler]

Sorry for the noob question but which are the best potion and prepotion for fire mage?

[Karbuncle]

New here. I'm having trouble figuring out just how much crit is actually worth due to each major web site having different weights. Noxxic claims Int is still better than crit, and Icy Veins claims crit is 1.3 over int's 1.0. This thread shows 8.65 versus Int's 8.02. Reason I ask is with regard to juggling the 6-piece set bonus for 500 int. exactly how much crit will be worth more than the 500 int? Should I calculate the overall net difference using the stat weights provided in this thread? For now, I've decided to bank the "bad" set pieces and just go with the crit I have now, which just clears 60% for me.

[Xenost]

Depends on your talent setup and current gear, best is to run a sim for yourself.

I'd say the set is bad for mage considering only half the pieces have crit main, 500 int and even the 8 pieces proc cant outweight that.

[Septic89]

Hey, Im new too.
So I got the Trinket Twisting Wind 860.
Its one of the top Trinkets according to the list.
But its not listed in the Pairwise DPS Sim. Are there only non Raid Trinkets compared ? Or what should I wear.

I thought Devilsaur und twisting Wind ist best now.
The other trinket was simple Int and crit with a Socket 830ilvl.

Also on the one trinket Sim list, Devilsaur is doing 252k Dps and Twisting Wind 270. But for me Devilsaur made as twice as much than the twisting wind trinket.

So my question, ist the Twisting Wind trinket really that great ?

Thank you!

Septic

[dogdogdog]

Hi guys,

I am one of the lucky guys who already got the legendary bracers.
Now I think that Pyromaniac is a must and is pulling ahead of Conflag by a lot because of more proc chances?
Am I right or am I missing something there?

[Stauros]

Hey, Im new too.
So I got the Trinket Twisting Wind 860.
Its one of the top Trinkets according to the list.
But its not listed in the Pairwise DPS Sim. Are there only non Raid Trinkets compared ? Or what should I wear.

I thought Devilsaur und twisting Wind ist best now.
The other trinket was simple Int and crit with a Socket 830ilvl.

Also on the one trinket Sim list, Devilsaur is doing 252k Dps and Twisting Wind 270. But for me Devilsaur made as twice as much than the twisting wind trinket.

So my question, ist the Twisting Wind trinket really that great ?

Thank you!

Septic

I've seen similar results to you in actual practice.