[7.2] Arcane Talents, Trinkets, Racials, Stats, Legendary

[Binkenstein]

Built a spreadsheet to display data I've produced recently on trinkets (also covers Fire too) from 840 to 880 versions in 10 ilvl steps.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing" target="_blank

Ran using the T19H profile (had to set up a variation to use trinket1 for the on-use trinkets), Patchwerk & all default settings.

[Aaddr]

Any chance on getting Sim data on trinket pairs on trinkets from raids?

[seoh]

Built a spreadsheet to display data I've produced recently on trinkets (also covers Fire too) from 840 to 880 versions in 10 ilvl steps.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing" target="_blank

Ran using the T19H profile (had to set up a variation to use trinket1 for the on-use trinkets), Patchwerk & all default settings.

Is something up with the Arcane rankings? They seemed normal yesterday, but today most trinkets are marked at like between 50-100th best in slot

[Ataraxey]

Question about Evocation timings: I've been told that what % mana you use it at during Burn depends on your amount of haste.

Does anyone know what the break points are for it? Or do you literally just burn until OOM and then evocate to full per the first page's information?

My current haste is 16% (5,136)

[x1xruex1x]

Question about Evocation timings: I've been told that what % mana you use it at during Burn depends on your amount of haste.

Does anyone know what the break points are for it? Or do you literally just burn until OOM and then evocate to full per the first page's information?

My current haste is 16% (5,136)

@Ataraxey,

I typically just burn down til <20% mana (enough to cast 1 last AB), make sure I got 1 AM banked, then Evocate. I force end the evocate the moment I hit >95% mana (depending on amount of ticks left and time left on quickening). Sometimes it's the full evocate cast, sometimes its only partial depending on timewarp/heroism and your current quickening stacks since it makes it tick more frequently just like Nether Tempest.

Hope that helps some.

~Rue~

[Vorrum]

Has the initial post been properly updated for Karazhan and recent patch changes for arcane?

[Causese]

crackling energy trait seems to be really good/better than torrental barrage. (especially in trial of valor)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh_0ATVxK2Q" target="_blank

3 poijnts into torrental barrage is just a 1k dps increase for me

[kamui]

I got the legendary Arcane Kilt and I'm not sure how that would affect my rotation. After the 1st Evocation, I tend to be more liberal with my AB usage than before but am uncertain on mana breakpoints. Is there a guide on using this legendary? The post in the Kilt thread seems thorough, but rather confusing.

[Frosted]

Updated trinket section of the op

[createk]

Updated trinket section of the op

how does stat sticks (nightbane, helya) compare to the proc ones listed?

[Vhella]

how does stat sticks (nightbane, helya) compare to the proc ones listed?

I Think they are superior for Arcane. The flat stats are just phenomenal, a lot of top tier mage wear those.

[seoh]

Please don't go by what you "think" alone. Please sim or do actual testing to see which ones are better. For instance, my 865 Arcanocrystal with a socket is better than an 880 Ethereal Urn with a socket by 5k dps, and my 865 NST is only 1k dps behind that same Urn. All of this is also relative to your own gear as well.

[Grazer]

Updated trinket section of the op

Question about that. Are all trinkets normalized to be on the same ilvl or is it sinulated with the ilvl it usually has? E.g. bough with 880 and naraxas with 840?

[Deckzor]

Ya, because usually the normal raider has the Xavius Mythic Trinket but only the normal myth ini Naraxas

If he didnt use same ilev on the trinket list the list would be totally useless.

[Grazer]

Ya, because usually the normal raider has the Xavius Mythic Trinket but only the normal myth ini Naraxas

If he didnt use same ilev on the trinket list the list would be totally useless.

Yeah well I also assume that the Trinkets are standardized on the same ilvl, but I think it is worth a question, just to be sure. And I was just using those two Trinkets as an example so that it is clear what I mean.

[Vhella]

Please don't go by what you "think" alone. Please sim or do actual testing to see which ones are better. For instance, my 865 Arcanocrystal with a socket is better than an 880 Ethereal Urn with a socket by 5k dps, and my 865 NST is only 1k dps behind that same Urn. All of this is also relative to your own gear as well.

Sim has been off by quite some time now. I don't rely anymore on these data. I'd rather check warcraftlogs for the top trinket used by top players in mythic, Arcanocrystal if ofc top tier trinket as well as Ethereal Urn & Brinewater Slime. Aran's relaxing ruby, Bough of Corruption, Naraxas Spiked tongue & Swarming plaguehive are also very good trinkets. High ilvl & socket add extra value to the trinket, and like you said, depending on your gear your choice might differ.

[Ddmagebags]

You mention that sim has been off for trinkets...has it been off for anything else...I have been trying to delve into whether or not to trust my Simmed stat weights as they are all over the place between Crit/Vers/Mast...haste is bottom of the barrel but I have a tone that I can't get rid of... But I only have 41% ish Mastery and it is currently simming 3rd behind Crit/Vers... I don't have any legendaries that would affect rotation yet so I was just wondering if it is was a good idea to just follow what the Sim says.

[Vhella]

I personally dont rely on them anymore since 7.1 Do as you want but in my opinion in prefer to refer to logs of top players. I think 50+% in mastery is a nice goal, then Crit, Vers & Haste. This is just my personal taste. In 7.1.5, things might differ but for now and for many hl arcane mage (according to warcraft logs) it's the go to stats (keep in mind that with item like legendary kilt, mastery devalues a bit)

[Frosted]

Please don't go by what you "think" alone. Please sim or do actual testing to see which ones are better. For instance, my 865 Arcanocrystal with a socket is better than an 880 Ethereal Urn with a socket by 5k dps, and my 865 NST is only 1k dps behind that same Urn. All of this is also relative to your own gear as well.

Sim has been off by quite some time now. I don't rely anymore on these data. I'd rather check warcraftlogs for the top trinket used by top players in mythic, Arcanocrystal if ofc top tier trinket as well as Ethereal Urn & Brinewater Slime. Aran's relaxing ruby, Bough of Corruption, Naraxas Spiked tongue & Swarming plaguehive are also very good trinkets. High ilvl & socket add extra value to the trinket, and like you said, depending on your gear your choice might differ.

What about the is off?

[Arelaa]

Can someone answer me a question !

When i simulate my gear with Simcraft i get a pawn string like this:

( Pawn: v1: "Arelaa": Intellect=6.76, CritRating=4.48, HasteRating=4.59, MasteryRating=4.63, Versatility=5.10 )

But in every guide haste is the badest stat of all. Does the Arcane Mage got a haste Softcap or something like this ?
When i put on all of my mastery gear haste get prioritized even more.

Thats my mage:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/b ... laa/simple" target="_blank