are wrists just that powerful or am I doing something wrong?

[Rydis]

Checking this mythic Ursoc Kill.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A1 ... &source=16" target="_blank

Ilevel 882

Best pull I could do was ~380k, though this one was only 375k. However top mages are doing 600k-700k. I see they all have the bindings..but I can't see them literally doubling our damage?

Anyone see if im doing something majorly wrong, or if its just mostly a wrist legendary issue?

[Razielsr1]

TL;DR - The bracers aren't THAT much stronger, but are still very strong. You should match yourself agents the top end Mages in terms of Timeline of Casts to know what you're not doing, that they are.

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A good place to look if your having trouble understanding why your damage is lower than others in your ilvl or just in general is via Timeline > Casts (or Casts Timeline) of the top end Fire Mages and attempted to compare it to your own Casts Timeline

Your Timeline from the log you've provided.
Another higher preforming Mage, with almost identical gear

You'll see that this person also doesn't have the bracers, and has the exact same Legendary s, but is still capable pulling almost 600k DPS by the end of the fight. Scrub through the timeline and this should help you understand what this other Mage is doing that you might not be doing. If you have questions, feel free to ask

BTW, this is not my mage, it is someone in the top US logs and I picked them because they had basically the same gear as yourself for this example.

[Rydis]

besdies a small mistake in my opener, I honestly can't see.

My best opener has never topped 1.25 million at peak (missed a pyroblast. He had 7 I had 6). He hits over 2 million.

Is it really just that much RNG?

Ok so he had a neck proc hit for an additional 1.7 million I can't do. Thats fine. But I have never seen a grace proc 11 times during burst phase..while im only getting 5 Total 15 procs in his duration..vs my 7. His sinew just crit..mine didn't.

I had roughly 100 more ignite ticks than him..yet less than 7 million in ignite damage.

I have more haste, more active overall..yet in a minute longer fight have less fireballs. No idea how its even possible. I didn't get a 2nd time warp..but I dont see that actually increasing dps by75% overall.

Honestly..no idea. I have been been able to pull more than 400k ST on the most stationary fight (guarm/nythendra) to even figure out how to get 600k

[Rydis]

looking more..feels maybe its just a bunch of small things really. He never stacked for cacophony, and team gives him 2 heros. SO way less movement. Has better relics (ignite) vs fireball on me. used a defiled rune..but not sure how he is still 1400 more int then me. And way more mastery vs my more haste..which I thought haste was supposed to be better on ST.

Clearly..though his ignite is on average 60k dps more than me. Higher item trinket level for sinew and flame wreath.

[Razielsr1]

besdies a small mistake in my opener

This isn't necessarily true, as seen at 1:35 (95 seconds into the fight) when you went in for your next Burst and hit Combustion before RoP, but that's beside the point.

You may also need to take into consideration that the fight for that other Mage is farm so there is more room for there to be "cheesed" DPS and that their team, as a whole, are doing things differently then a team that is still progressing.

Beyond that, you have a high number of interrupted casts of Fireball which I can assume is to cast your Instan' Pyro. You'll want to avoid this as much as possible, as it can really add up to a significant DPS loss at the end of a fight. It does seem like a fair amount of bad RnG happening on your end, as you can see very smooth Fireball > Insta Pyro chains going with the other Mage

I don't know if that's helped at all.

At least, look at it this way, you only have one way to go... Up

[Andrestes]

the other mage got his kill ~70 seconds faster than you did, and he finished a combustion phase just at the end. I think those two things will make a pretty big difference.

[Rydis]

the other mage got his kill ~70 seconds faster than you did, and he finished a combustion phase just at the end. I think those two things will make a pretty big difference.

even if I go dummy up and go two 2nd combustion end..I dont go higher than 420k dps and never peak at 2 million as he does.

[Andrestes]

his sinew is 20 ilvls higher than yours, which goes a long way towards the opening burst (it's hitting for 3m). it also looks like you aren't always getting sinew into combusion, as you had a 66% crit with maddening whispers instead of 100%.

just checking, but you're dummying with lust and food/flask/pot/rune? deadly grace scales off haste so it's much better within lust.

[DyLemma]

Even if you were to play perfect you'll still be way behind bracers users. They ARE that strong. Look at many of the mages that used to get rank 1s in other expansions (check WCL) and without bracers we can't even get in top 50 this expansion, lol. Joke of an expansion if you don't get bis legendaries. Also very un-fun.

EDIT: Just realized I was being used in this post, lol. Idk what causes it but sometimes the neck can randomly do more then double damage. I should probably figure out how to replicate it and report it. Looks like you're playing quite wrong, I had 6 more pyroblasts then you and my fight was over a minute shorter. That's a serious issue. You had good crit RNG but for some reason you didn't use many pyros (too lazy to look through the log, sorry)

[Rydis]

Even if you were to play perfect you'll still be way behind bracers users. They ARE that strong. Look at many of the mages that used to get rank 1s in other expansions (check WCL) and without bracers we can't even get in top 50 this expansion, lol. Joke of an expansion if you don't get bis legendaries. Also very un-fun.

EDIT: Just realized I was being used in this post, lol. Idk what causes it but sometimes the neck can randomly do more then double damage. I should probably figure out how to replicate it and report it. Looks like you're playing quite wrong, I had 6 more pyroblasts then you and my fight was over a minute shorter. That's a serious issue. You had good crit RNG but for some reason you didn't use many pyros (too lazy to look through the log, sorry)

well I know part of it was just how we approach the fight. You only moved 4 times during the encounter (likely to soak focus gaze) and basically didn't stack for cacophony otherwise, where I stood in every single cacophony . Thats a lot of cancelled casts and movement. If I ever tried to dodge stacking, id get booted immediately. That being said, isnt enough for the difference with how I play.

Even on a stand still forever and do nothing fight, after my 2nd combustion, ill always settle around ~425k dps. I could never, even on a dummy come close to 2 million peaks you get during combustion. And that isn't the neck proc, because you still achieved it again during your 2nd combustion. Maybe a 860 gnawed ring for the 5% damage beats out an 890 ring? I mean..I could get 600k on a 40 second fight lol

Even if I didn't mess up my first rotation (1 missed pyro/early combust missed crit sinew) best I can achieve is ~ 1.3 million peak and probably could of got ~400-425k. Which I thought was good..until someone showed me yours . But maybe 425k is where im suppsoed to be at, though same item level difference, the trinket levels probably means that much more. That being said..I dunno..I had nightbane chest during this fight.

[DyLemma]

? I do soak the roar though, I was stacked for cacophony. Sometimes you can be just out of range and not get hit but I am stacking for it. I only missed 1 cacophony the whole fight. Save your 2nd combustion for when the add spawns, as soon as it spawns use your combust. That means all your combustions line up with the add. Maybe you're doing that, but like I said, don't care to evaluate your log, sorry Like I said, I used more pyros then you and your fight is over a minute longer, that's a very serious issue. Maybe need to work on your movement with blinks and icy floes.

[magictricks]

Latency is huge, i moved to hong kong and am now playing with a 300ms ping and my dps has dropped about 150k.

so even if you have the same gear as someone if you have a shittier computer or are playing with some lags you wont do as much dps as them.

[ardomur]

imo its pointless to check other peoples performance over a whole fight. I'd go ahead and check the first 1 min or so, after that its to much rng. With a heavy raid cleave the add dies quick, another raid has nobody on the add and you cleave with Ignite like crazy. You get another Combustion in or not (last time Ursoc died 1 sec in my Combustion in, if he had lived for 12 more sec or so...).
Like these 2 logs you can't really compare. They Hero'd/Lusted on Pull, your Guild on the last 30%, so he didn't wait on his Combustion for the last 30% push while you had to sit for 20 sec (?) till you could use it AND the boss died pretty quickly after his 3rd while you had 35 sec of the fight left. You both had 3 Combustions, he had a 3 min fight, you a 4:17min. This way he doesn't need Bracers to beat you in Damage^^

I at least see you missmanaging Combustion 3 Times
The first time you used Comustion at 0:01,463, put down a Rune and used your First Abilty that really benefits from Combustion at 0:04,732. So for a full 3 seconds you had Combustion active and the only thing you got going is a Fire Ball crit. 7 Seconds into your Rune your Combustion fades, it should be active for the whole duration!

If i don't have Lust on pull i usually cast 2 Fireballs and put down my rune. If the first did crit i use a Fire Blast while casting the 2nd and let my Hot Streak sit and just let the FireBall fly and put down my rune. If the 2nd didn't crit i still put down my Rune, fire off Pheonix Flame's and a Fire Blast and then start my Burst.
This is just what i (!) do, this way i have the Rune down, a proc of Hot Streak and am ready to go, so you pop Combustion, and do the Fire Blast -> Pyro - > Flame on (if no Fire Blast is available) and end with Pheonix -> Pyro.

In Rinoa's Post (viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2553) under V Priority system the Combustion is explained more detailed.

And because you said it to Dylemma i'm gonna pick on it^^
Soaking on Ursoc just means you have to manage your movement. To get hit by the Cacophony you need to be in 20m/y range of the Boss. That gives you a pretty good wiggle room. If you have to Soak on the First Charge position yourself so you stand 20m from where you want to be when the Charge comes. While casting your 2nd Fire Ball you can just Blink forward and stand where you want to be and have the Cooldown running. While getting hit by the Charge you can use Ice Floes (which you did use pretty often so good job there^^) and Blink diagonaly (no idea how to spell it^^) and end up on the side of Ursoc but ahead of the group and still in range for Cacophony. After each roar they move the Boss near you (the Boss being at the wall and you standing 20m away from it) and you just have to move ahead again and keep your Distance. The correct distance is about feeling, i pretty much never get hit from the void the roaring leaves, but still get the Cacophony Damage (the last 3 Kills i missed 1 Roar). With Double Blink and Ice Floes you should be able to cast and move the whole fight.

Sorry for the wall of text^^
TL:DR check out Rinoa's Guide on Combustion usage and manage your movement so you spend more time casting spells (if you don't already) and don't compare yourself to players of another race (Berserking is pretty good^^) on fights with complete different kill times.