[7.2] Frost Talents, Trinkets, Racials, Stats, Legendary

[olokton]

Hello friends, with old mate 7.1.5 hitting us today and the IL buff incoming.
Is it going to be a greater priority to hit shatter cap or should i keep my haste as my primary stat?

If I'm not mistaken it already is a priority to hit shatter cap, or at least every time I sim and my crit is below 33% my pawn string has crit being valued above haste and sometimes even int. I think it's best to hit shatter cap then just prioritize int/haste/vers as much as you can.

[Frosted]

Updated to 7.1.5

[jonashh]

Interesting that Lonely winter and mirror image sims that good

[darkcam17]

Am I seeing this right in thinking we now use entirely passive talents. Seems a bit boring to play with lonely winter + incanters flow + unstable magic.

[Xei]

Am I seeing this right in thinking we now use entirely passive talents. Seems a bit boring to play with lonely winter + incanters flow + unstable magic.

Sim your own talents, you may find something different (I did).

[Lammer]

The "Relics" part of the guide contains some strange info about legendaries, which does not match info in "Legendaries" part of the guide

[nickseng]

The "Relics" part of the guide contains some strange info about legendaries, which does not match info in "Legendaries" part of the guide

IMHO, the legendary list in the relic section is probably the new stuff he meant to post, but he replaced the wrong image.

With that said, we're missing the relic list.

[Ritterbecks]

Frosted, somehow the last changes to the simcraft code totally ruined the thermal void mage. Icy Veins uptime on the mythic simc profile went to 29%.

My personal uptime with Vashj's Grasp went from 75% yesterday to 45% today. On a dummy the uptime is around 65% (I know that I'm not the best...).

If the sims are right and I simply had luck on the dummies that would make Arcane +0 Legendaries better than Frost with BiS. This is a bit worrying...

Edit: Ice Lance crit percentage is simming as 92.4%. With 33.9% crit this should be 100% IL criticals, shouldn't it?!

[Illeriia]

Frosted, somehow the last changes to the simcraft code totally ruined the thermal void mage. Icy Veins uptime on the mythic simc profile went to 29%.

My personal uptime with Vashj's Grasp went from 75% yesterday to 45% today. On a dummy the uptime is around 65% (I know that I'm not the best...).

If the sims are right and I simply had luck on the dummies that would make Arcane +0 Legendaries better than Frost with BiS. This is a bit worrying...

What talents were you running? And the reason for the icy veins uptime going down, is that
1. Blizzard no longer can proc Fingers of Frost (only applicable to Arctic Gale).
2. Pet-Water Bolt no longer procs Fingers of Frost.
3. Ebonbolt no longer gives Fingers of Frost.
4. Frozen Touch is no longer a guaranteed 2 charges per 45 seconds.

The reason that I ask what talents you were using, is for example, if you run Lonely Winter, you lose the guaranteed 2 Fingers of Frost every time Water Jet is up. Or, the 3 charges if you can aoe Pet Nova. With the current changes, you have to be very careful (especially with the legendary gloves, speaking from experience) to not waste any ice lances, this includes combo-ing ice lance with brain freeze flurrys, for example.

Also speaking from experience, I went from a personal uptime of 100% on Icy Veins (if you don't include the few seconds on pull, otherwise it was around 95%+) to sometimes not even being able to keep icy veins up until my next icy veins was under a minute. This was moreso because I have the legendary gloves, as well as 2 icy vein cooldown reduction relics, (can't recall the name), bringing each frostbolt crit to a 2.5 second reduction.

[Illeriia]

Also out of curiosity, were these sims actually ran at an 880 item level, or was it at ~903 with 54 traits like the fire profile was ran at?

[Ritterbecks]

I used the 7.1.5 Simulationcraft aka nightly build yesterday, too. neither Blizz nor Water Bolt were proccing FoF, but still something really made the sim dps crash. It's even 20% lower than my dummy dps.

And towards your curiosity: I'm simming myself (877 equipped with Lady Vashj's). Sims went from 511k yesterday's nightly (7.1.5) to 448k today's nightly (7.1.5).

[Illeriia]

I used the 7.1.5 Simulationcraft aka nightly build yesterday, too. neither Blizz nor Water Bolt were proccing FoF, but still something really made the sim dps crash. It's even 20% lower than my dummy dps.

And towards your curiosity: I'm simming myself (877 equipped with Lady Vashj's). Sims went from 511k yesterday's nightly (7.1.5) to 448k today's nightly (7.1.5).

Did you switch to crit? Once I swapped my gear around, my sim dps went from 550k pre-7.1.5 to around 540k post 7.1.5.

[Norrinir]

This is all related to a bug with travel time. Keep an eye out on this issue and once it's fixed, wait for the next nightly.

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/issues/3367" target="_blank

[Frosted]

The "Relics" part of the guide contains some strange info about legendaries, which does not match info in "Legendaries" part of the guide

Fixed, sorry about that.

[Frosted]

Also out of curiosity, were these sims actually ran at an 880 item level, or was it at ~903 with 54 traits like the fire profile was ran at?

Missed that - it's all at mythic NH level like the Fire/Arcane stuff. Updated OP.

[Sheph]

I know you updated ALL sims just 2 days ago, but I want to ask if they're still holding true? They seemed to at the time, but yesterdays/todays nightlies seem to draw a different picture. I assume your ST parses are based on Mage_Frost_T19M_NH ect and did a run with the top pick of talents on those profiles on todays build and got the following compared to yours:

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Arcane Thread: 689k Today: 692k Fire Thread: 628k Today: 587k Frost Thread: 702k Today: 626k

EDIT: Swapped the numbers by accident -.-

Ignoring the absolute numbers, it seems frost and fire have fallen quite a lot in the simulations overnight.

[Zulandia]

Due to the travel time bug talked about a few posts up. Doesn't affect arcane as much as it has very few projectile spells.

[Venno]

Due to the travel time bug talked about a few posts up. Doesn't affect arcane as much as it has very few projectile spells.

Hah I dropped like 50k dps from one release to the next, had a feeling something bugged out.

On the plus side, I hit my simmed figure for the first time ever

[thepaan]

Talent list for self-simulating as I'm getting drastically different results from OP.

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edit: fixed 0>1 1>2 2>3

[Zulandia]

You're setting up talents wrong there thepaan. I'll assume you have proper syntax for copy/talent overrides in your actual file however your indexing is wrong. 1 Is the left most talent, 2 is the center and 3 is the right hand talent. 0 is inactive.

To save you the effort of changing stuff here is the python script we normally use to generate the profiles:
https://repl.it/Ccer/5" target="_blank
simply edit the spec and profile near the top and hit run.