[7.2] Fire Talents, Trinkets, Racials, Stats, Legendary

[Flaszka]

Is there any point of changing crit gems to int? Sims say it's 4-5k dps gain.

[Neeb]

You can only have 1 int gem equipped, and you should have it.

[inphared]

Curious as to how trinkets have changed in 7.1.5 - before Sinew & Arans were god tier & always used. Now, according to sims, Aran is only for AoE & now Arcanocrystal & other "stat-stick" trinkets are god-tier for single target. My question is though, last night I was running 860 Arcano & 850 mana cracker (I've had shit luck with trinkets), while the other mage had Arans/Sinew still. NH seems to have a lot of adds, so maybe that is why, but he was consistently doing 50-100k more damage than me & his trinkets made up a fairly decent portion of that. If you had to choose between 865 arans, 865 sinew, 865 shock baton, 860 arcano, 850 mana cracker, which would you go with?

[illwil]

Curious as to how trinkets have changed in 7.1.5 - before Sinew & Arans were god tier & always used. Now, according to sims, Aran is only for AoE & now Arcanocrystal & other "stat-stick" trinkets are god-tier for single target. My question is though, last night I was running 860 Arcano & 850 mana cracker (I've had shit luck with trinkets), while the other mage had Arans/Sinew still. NH seems to have a lot of adds, so maybe that is why, but he was consistently doing 50-100k more damage than me & his trinkets made up a fairly decent portion of that. If you had to choose between 865 arans, 865 sinew, 865 shock baton, 860 arcano, 850 mana cracker, which would you go with?

Arans is still really good for aoe. sinew can still be good when used in conjunction with RoP and combustion. Depending on the boss you might want to just change out your trinkets. trilliax and crosus you can go with single target trinkets, but on spellblade just use an aoe trinket. Sim them to see because my shitty twisting wind trinket was out dpsing my same lvl arans on single target, but I'm sure it has to do with the int.

[Chopitup]

Curious as to how trinkets have changed in 7.1.5 - before Sinew & Arans were god tier & always used. Now, according to sims, Aran is only for AoE & now Arcanocrystal & other "stat-stick" trinkets are god-tier for single target. My question is though, last night I was running 860 Arcano & 850 mana cracker (I've had shit luck with trinkets), while the other mage had Arans/Sinew still. NH seems to have a lot of adds, so maybe that is why, but he was consistently doing 50-100k more damage than me & his trinkets made up a fairly decent portion of that. If you had to choose between 865 arans, 865 sinew, 865 shock baton, 860 arcano, 850 mana cracker, which would you go with?

You should always equip arcano crystal atm. It is one of the 5 best trinkets available, for fire mages(that is included the trinkets available in NH). It's sick. I think that your sinew is too low ilvl to be good, not sure.

So for ST I would use arcano + shock baton, since you have a nice baton.

However, If I were you I would try to pick up the Urn from nightbane or the bottle from helya and replace shock baton for ST asap. Stat sticks have gotten strong, and mastery is also better on ST than prior 7.1.5 making urn a really good choice.

AoE Arcano + Arans





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[EmberPFU]

Whispers in the dark trinket just got nerfed, wonder how many ranks it will lose in the trinket list. Any ideas?

[Sephix]

I have a question, how can the aran's ruby sim lower when it's equipped with chest than without chest ?

Is it because of hard RNG or ? maybe an error somewhere?

[blackstoise]

Aran + Chest paired uses the 875 chest. The ilvl drop from using a 900 ilvl chest is dropping the dps.

[Crys1s]

Why there is no Ethereal Urn in trinkets sim`s?

[wizeek]

Why there is no Ethereal Urn in trinkets sim`s?

Most the stat sticks are excluded from that (any of the ones with average stat budget anyway) as they are fairly easy to eyeball/sim and come in so many varieties that they would both drastically increase sim time and clutter the picture. Stat sticks in general are strong though.

I still don't understand it though.

How do you even eyeball a stat stick trinket against a proc/use one? I thought these charts exist specifically for comparison reasons and excluding something viable makes no sense to me. Following this advice I would not need this chart at all and could just go and sim everything myself.

And as for varieties - I see only 4 variations which are Int + [ Crit | Haste | Mastery | Versatility ] at some ilvl. Four more trinkets would not "drastically increase sim time" nor "clutter the picture". Is there something I am missing?

[Chopitup]

You should always sim yourself and never use this as the only guidance. Keep in mind that the sims are made for ilvl 900+. Which means that your current gear will probably not show the same results on trinkets.

[Xenost]

These sims intent is to show the relative power of procs on trinket, for stat stick it entirely depends on your char weights which is why they aren't simmed here.

[wizeek]

You should always sim yourself and never use this as the only guidance.

No one says he is using this as the only guidance. This kind of charts can be useful to get the initial knowledge on the situation with trinkets in the current patch. For example, it can tell you how much is legendary trinket better than the rest of the trinkets or that the Horn of Valor suddenly became a very viable option. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell anything about stat sticks.

These sims intent is to show the relative power of procs on trinket, for stat stick it entirely depends on your char weights which is why they aren't simmed here.

It isn't stated anywhere that it's a comparison of proc power, it's referenced to as "5)Trinket Comparsions".
Then, there is Arcanocrystal in the charts which is a stat stick trinket. I fail to see how is any Int+Secondary stat stick different to Arcanocrystal in this regard.

[Ptitraisin]

Hello

I have 3 legendaries
The bracer, koralon and exodar

I sim bracer + koralon and bracer+exodar, it shows 4k difference in favor to koralon
and the first post show an ever bigger gap

So should i switch koralon and exodar depending on boss ? (Exodar if bl at pull and Koralon if Bl at the end )
Or should i stick with Bracer+koralon

[Lahrast]

is there any way we could get relic priorities for belt and/or bracer, (evtl. head) sims?

[Falq]

Hello

I have 3 legendaries
The bracer, koralon and exodar

I sim bracer + koralon and bracer+exodar, it shows 4k difference in favor to koralon
and the first post show an ever bigger gap

So should i switch koralon and exodar depending on boss ? (Exodar if bl at pull and Koralon if Bl at the end )
Or should i stick with Bracer+koralon

This looks like good choice. Exodar is quite strong but hard to utilize, since it depends on your raid tactic rather than your own gameplay.

[Lahrast]

is there any way we could get relic priorities for belt and/or bracer, (evtl. head) sims?

sooo i did this stuff on my own:

turns out that when you own either/or bracer/belt your relic priorities are thrown over completely

1 Target Belt/Bracer: Pyro > Ignite >> Firecrit dmg >= Fb cast >= Fbl dmg > Fb dmg > def
>> meaning still superior on +2 and > +1, >= meaning roughly equivalent on equal ilvl

when adding one or two additional targets nothing really changes, only that Ignite (as one would expect) catches up to pyro in terms of DPS bonus, all other traits stay the same. Interestingly enough Ignite does not significantly overtakes PB dps even on 3 Targets.

When Simming 3 Targets with Head/Belt instead of Bracer/Belt first, you gain ~5% dps (~866k to 900k) which is surprisingly little, but obviously not insignificant.
Funny enough your relic priority stay basically the same namely:
Ignite >= Pyro >> fire crit dmg >= fbl dmg >= fb cast > fb dmg

props to the curnivore thread where he explained how to do those calcs rather efficiently https://www.altered-time.com/forum/view ... f=4&t=3117" target="_blank

bracer belt 1t MI (adjusted gear +10% haste, -5% vers, -5% mastery, -2p t19)

bracer belt 1t RoP

bracer belt 2t

bracer belt 3t

head belt 3t


all multitarget sims where done using Meteor/RoP and my gear profile, dps error was about 260 dps

[Byrne]

Interesting, thanks for that Lahrast.

[Schnizol]

I don't get why stat sticks have suddenly become so much better. What was changed? :/

[illwil]

I don't get why stat sticks have suddenly become so much better. What was changed? :/

Intellect is worth more now comparatively