Glacial Spike - Updated

[Tyronde]

2/8 - GS APL is now in the latest Nightly of Simc, The only difference in APL's now is the Pre-pull Ebonbolt and food buff. Those two changes change overall dps by 3k~ but default will still give you proper stat weights.[/b]

So what do I need to do with in the simulationcraft GUI in order to utilise this APL? Just edit it myself?

[Garlic]

Does anyone have a WA or addon that calculates the potential damage of GS? this would be insanely helpful

[Moyx]

I've been working on addon for Glacial mages, but i'm stuck and i have nobody to help me out. https://www.altered-time.com/forum/view ... =20&t=3380" target="_blank

[Kathreyn]

Does anyone have a WA or addon that calculates the potential damage of GS? this would be insanely helpful

not my own work but here you go. Credit a chap named Falco

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[Garlic]

hmm well while that does sort of work, it doesn't update dynamically it seems when you get double icicles and the counter still shows you only getting 1

[t3hbar0n]

For anyone confused on how to use shimmer to shatter glacial spike. https://youtu.be/mHgmdmpf7s0" target="_blank

Using this method in mythic+ I have artifically inflated my GS crit rate to around 44%, despite only having 31% crit; however, this works much better in m+ than in raids because in M+ you are generally moving forward room to room, while in raids that is usually not the case. Also, in raids there are other things that require shimmer to make them easier, thus reducing the chances to utilize it for dps.

Good luck

[Zotix]

Is shimmer actually more beneficial to pick up over ice flows? I suppose it does more theoretical damage being able to shatter glacial spike. But you lose quite a bit of mobility.

That being said if you don't shimmer and shatter glacial spike, should you hold brain freeze proc until the next frostbolt then instead of throwing it in before a glacial spike?

[Kumpare]

Is shimmer actually more beneficial to pick up over ice flows? I suppose it does more theoretical damage being able to shatter glacial spike. But you lose quite a bit of mobility.

That being said if you don't shimmer and shatter glacial spike, should you hold brain freeze proc until the next frostbolt then instead of throwing it in before a glacial spike?

Depends on the fight. In my opinion for most cases, no. The reasoning being that while you get a glacial spike to crit and it's a guaranteed upgrade in damage, you have to move back further away so you can shimmer back in again. Moving out without shimmer and ice floes is a damage loss, not to mention the fight mechanics which you now will not have any movement abilities on. The exception to this might be star augur, as there are very minimal and predictable movement requiring mechanics.

As for your second question, yes. That is the correct way of handling it.

[Nissinn]

A bit off topic but if you run a lot of M+ dungeons you can simply frost nova after a GS and make it likely to crit 2 targets. What I do is turn on icefloes during the GS cast and move to melee range and nova. This gets dicey during skittish because you almost insta grab aggro but otherwise fun to use on trash.

[nickthetrainer91]

heard something about "double dipping" damage when weapon gets to 54, any thoughts? pretty sure i read something in guide but want to get some opinions- what kind of damage increase can I expect?

[Montegomery]

Double dipping refers to the fact that Glacial Spike benefits from the bonus twice, once for the higher damage your Frostbolts deal, and once for the Glacial Spike itself.

A more detailed mathematical explanation:

Spoiler:

If you hypothetically had 100% Mastery, the benefit looks like this:

No Bonus: 100% Frostbolt Damage * 5 = +500% Damage on Glacial Spike
15% Bonus: 100% Frostbolt Damage * 5 * 1.15 = +575% Damage on Glacial Spike * 1.15 = +661% Damage Total

Incidentally this means that Glacial Spike's scaling is going to get pretty crazy if the "Infinite" trait in 7.2 remains as it is.

[Mage]

Incidentally this means that Glacial Spike's scaling is going to get pretty crazy if the "Infinite" trait in 7.2 remains as it is.

The trait will be removed in 7.2 and replaced with new traits.

[Juno]

Hope you don't mind if i toss around some more questions since you were all so kind last time i asked .

So, when should i use Blizzard ? (if i should use it all), i mean when it's a dps gain to use it ?
Are you casting Frozen Orb during your opener and basically IL half of the IV duration or you use it when IV ends?
Any particular tips about the opener ?
And last but not the least do you prefer Shimmer or Ice Floes, i know it's down to personal tastes etc etc but i'm struggling to decide and i'd like a second (or a third ?:D ) opinion!

All in all i'm loving the spec, i find it way more engaging and consistent then Fire. I pushed the weapon to 43 traits during this week and i start noticing some decent numbers, so thank you again for the feedback guys !

P.s. Sorry if i came across as annoying or anything with all this questions but i'm struggling to find any other resources (streams, decent PoV or anything) regarding GS build, you guys are my only hope

[Montegomery]

Incidentally this means that Glacial Spike's scaling is going to get pretty crazy if the "Infinite" trait in 7.2 remains as it is.

The trait will be removed in 7.2 and replaced with new traits.

Are you thinking of the current 35-54 traits? Because I'm talking about something different.

In 7.2 the bonus trait will be reduced to a 1 pointer yielding 5% damage, and new traits will be added. The first of these traits yields 10% damage, so we're effectively not losing the 15% damage bonus.

On top of that there's a new placeholder trait called "Infinite" at the end of the new traits which is a flat 1% damage increase per point. Whether or not all these damage boosts are multiplicative or additive, there's going to be a lot of double dipping going on.

[Rinoa]

Stickied.

[Crispywaffle]

Hey im looking at switching into frost from arcane I have shard of the exodar and other legendaries are kilt and rhonins wraps for arcane. To put real short i think i meet the gear requirement explained above, would you say GS build > TV build ? or is it more of a different approach to similar results.

thank you in advance for any input

[Mage]

For me GS appears to be better at 2 target stacked cleave, while TV (lonely winter) sims better at single target. Actually it sims QUITE A LOT higher than my current arcane. 7 traits lower (47), 12 ilvls lower on artifact and with no frost specific legendaries (shard+kilt for arcane) it sims 43k higher on a 360 second Krossus. With equal gear (lets hope for next reset) it will be 80k higher.
There is however a big problem : I find it much harder to approach simmed values with frost. Arcane is much more straightforward in that regard, mainly due to having IMO less penalty from movement aka IV uptime killer. I have logs of a 7 minute frost dummy test that is actually HIGHER than the sim, but that's not a real boss.

I will be 100% playing frost on mythic augur, most likely on botanist as well, but past that I am afraid constant movement on Elissande and Gul'dan will kill my dps much harder than it would for arcane.

[Imaskar]

> I am afraid constant movement on Elissande and Gul'dan will kill my dps much harder than it would for arcane.

You can use GS on Ellie for that matter.

[Imaskar]

Anyone of you have the issue that with so many FoF and BF procs you mostly IL even in GS build. Casting GS have became so rare.

[Arandomperson]

Have you guys seen the new T20 bonuses for frost? They seem amazing, especially coupled with the 2piece t19 if that will be possible, although I doubt it.
Item - Mage T20 Frost 2P Bonus (New) Frozen Orb increases your Critical Strike damage by 30% for 10 seconds.
Item - Mage T20 Frost 4P Bonus (New) The cooldown of Frozen Orb is reduced by 5 sec whenever you gain Brain Freeze.
Also to be remembered that we are getting a trait that allows us to cast blizzard instantly when Frozen Orb is up, I think this tier will be huge, both for gs and tv