Frost Talents, Stat Weights, Racials, Trinkets, FAQ

[Imnick]

So, on the trinket comparisons I didn't see the dark moon trinket

The Darkmoon trinket is called "Sandman's Pouch".
It's actual existence on the list should answer your other questions, I think.

[Pwnzz]

Ah, thanks. For whatever reason I thought it was called something else. Thanks, this takes care of everything. Sorry for the derp...

[Saluk]

Anyway this is 540 DMC or upgraded version?

[Wilderness]

Anyway this is 540 DMC or upgraded version?

So reading the thread ...

DMC was 3/3 upgraded, HC were 630. Insignia I'm not sure, trolltok would know.

[Saluk]

Aha sorry I had to miss that

[Llewllyn]

If we save FO for PC we will get the same "number" of FOs per fight. The only question I had about this tactic was if it was worth the loss of FoF procs to line them up?

Anyone have any idea how many FoF procs a FO generally creates? I feel like it's in the 3-4 range. What is the advantage of losing these procs to line up PC and FO? I can see that you would pick up ~2 FoF by using splitting ice to cleave onto the boss while PC is up but what about the other 2 procs?

This would also mean that any 2 minute trinket would only line up with MI until 6 minutes into the fight.

[Frosted]

You do lose FOs, but it's worth it to line it up with PC.

[aycheff]

You do lose FOs, but it's worth it to line it up with PC.

I keep hearing its worth it and its not worth it I'm so conflicted I figured it'd be worth holding onto that 2nd FO if the fight only last long enough for you to get 2 FOs (Fight is < 3 mins), else if you can get 3 FO in a fight you use right away and line up with the 3rd PC. Am I completely wrong on this? I don't have any actual data to support this, just want I've intuitively been doing

[Frosted]

Does this help convince you?

Mage_Frost_T17P is syncing FO and PC (so holding FO until PC is up again)
other one is doing it on CD (obviously enough)



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I've done the sims on 100,200,300, 400, 500, and 600 second long fights, and it's always a DPS increase.

[aycheff]

Does this help convince you?

Mage_Frost_T17P is syncing FO and PC (so holding FO until PC is up again)
other one is doing it on CD (obviously enough)



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I've done the sims on 100,200,300, 400, 500, and 600 second long fights, and it's always a DPS increase.

Sorry if it seemed like I was doubting you, I wasn't! Thanks though for giving me a concrete answer

[Frosted]

If that came off as defensive, my bad. Just wanted to give you something better than more words.

[perchon]

So what crafteds are best to use? Chest, Legs, Head, assuming you don't have other drops?

[willemh]

Is the above also true without 4p T17 frosted?

[Frosted]

Is what also true? banking FO for PC?

Yes, it's still true with the 4pc. Even on 100s fights. The 4pc just makes it so that the shorter the fight, the smaller the DPS difference between FO on CD and FO stacked with PC - but it's still a DPS gain to stack them.

[willemh]

Is what also true? banking FO for PC?

Yes, it's still true with the 4pc. Even on 100s fights. The 4pc just makes it so that the shorter the fight, the smaller the DPS difference between FO on CD and FO stacked with PC - but it's still a DPS gain to stack them.

Well with 100 seconds its obviously an increase since you can only get 2 orbs off anyway. No matter if you save them or use them instantly. 130 seconds on the other hand would be a more interesting time frame to calculate. Or 250 seconds for that matter.

[Frosted]

Still a DPS gain in both of those scenarios to sync FO and PC

[willemh]

Clear, thanks

[Petfood101]

How does the interaction between frost bomb and IF work? Is it dynamic?

[Frosted]

FO is dynamic, yes.

[nuktuk]

So frosted, any plans on an advanced simcraft tutorial? Simming for weights is nice, but being able to reference rotations and such is something I would love to be able to do.