Frost Talents, Stat Weights, Racials, Trinkets, FAQ

[Traumprinz]

I'm sorry if this has been answerered or shown in any fashion but I've looked but not found (or understood):

The stat weights for Fbomb_MI_TV shows haste as the top (excluding int/SP of course) stat, but this was with unglyphed and infinite IV, right? If yes, what would the stat weights look like for FB_MI_TV with glyphed IV and not working to go infinite IV?

Thanks.

[Pwnzz]

So I started to wonder about how PC would do without splitting ice on single target, since tall bosses basically mean you cannot cleave off PC. So I modified the APL to Fbomb on PC to take that into account, and ran talent sims:



TV > PC on single target if the boss is too tall. TV is potentially the most potent single target and multi-target talent!

Hey, curious if you could give us an idea of what would be considered too tall in this case. In highmaul tectus and the annoying plant dude are clearly tall, but do the ogres present a problem since raid bosses tend to be pretty big as well?

Also, curious to know when you plan to update the OP with the new info you mentioned. Not rushing you at all, or being pushy. I know it's a holiday weekend, so wasn't expecting anything anyway. Just curious

[Frosted]

So frosted, any plans on an advanced simcraft tutorial? Simming for weights is nice, but being able to reference rotations and such is something I would love to be able to do.

Plans, yes. Once raids get started and I'm not spending most of my free time preparing for them (and being in love with the new dragon age) I'll start working on that again.

I'm sorry if this has been answerered or shown in any fashion but I've looked but not found (or understood):

The stat weights for Fbomb_MI_TV shows haste as the top (excluding int/SP of course) stat, but this was with unglyphed and infinite IV, right? If yes, what would the stat weights look like for FB_MI_TV with glyphed IV and not working to go infinite IV?

Thanks.

I cannot remember what they were when I ran them, but I think they were int > MS like normal.

[Frosted]

Hey, curious if you could give us an idea of what would be considered too tall in this case. In highmaul tectus and the annoying plant dude are clearly tall, but do the ogres present a problem since raid bosses tend to be pretty big as well?

Also, curious to know when you plan to update the OP with the new info you mentioned. Not rushing you at all, or being pushy. I know it's a holiday weekend, so wasn't expecting anything anyway. Just curious

I have no idea. It was an idea I had. Prolly gonna need to test it out and see which it works / doesn't work on, and adjust accordingly. If we end up being able to make an easy list, I'll add it to the OP once w have it.

I'll update the OP when I'm not playing a bunch of dragon age >.<. Soon I think. I suppose before raids unlock would be the most helpful for people, so I'll set tomorrow as my deadline!

[Trustbucket]

Has anyone simmed whether or not it's worth it to delay copeland's for Icy veins/ PC/ FO cooldown resets? I would assume so, since delaying FO for PC is worth, but not 100% on it.

[Frosted]

Has anyone simmed whether or not it's worth it to delay copeland's for Icy veins/ PC/ FO cooldown resets? I would assume so, since delaying FO for PC is worth, but not 100% on it.

I think delaying FO is ok because it's a really shit spell, so losing one or two of them doesn't really matter vs. the gains in FoF procs + damage on PC. Stuff like IN is never delayed if it means sitting on 2 charges for some period of time.

Looking at how the APL is generated, it looks like it's never using on use effects / items if PC is talented into unless the sim is preparing to enter a PC burst phase, or unless PC is >45s until it's off cooldown. So the default is to try and sync. I have not looked into the effects on DPS of just hitting them on CD.

[Ayonjia]

plans, yes. Once raids get started and I'm not spending most of my free time preparing for them (and being in love with the new dragon age) I'll start working on that again.

Glad to hear the new Dragon Age is worth it. I'm planning on digging into it over Christmas break when the raiding has calmed down a little.

For sure interested in knowing exactly which bosses count splitting ice doesn't end up working on. O_O

[Laere]

I just need some clarification on Copelands post-nerf. Is it going to be BiS until mythic blackrock?

[TheHeretic91]

I've been using Frost Bomb so far. If I switch to IN, I'm assuming casting it on CD or at least not letting it get to 2 charges so as to avoid wasting casts becomes my top priority?

[Yanous]

Hey all, first time poster here so let me say this site is amazing and the information you've provided is very appreciated.

That being said can you confirm that the following statement is correct based on the last Sims from Frosted, the difference between IN_MI_xx from TV to CmS is less than 2%?

IN_MI_TV - 18722
FBomb_MI_TV - 18542
IN_MI_PC - 18516
UM_MI_TV - 18481
IN_RoP_TV - 18433
IN_MI_CmS - 18335

[Trollmorph]

Hello Guys,
I appreciate your work here. Very good to see.

But I need some help to decide, which trinket should I use for the first raid:

Cope+Insignia VS Cope+Gradiose(645)

I'm currently running IN+MI+PC (heard MI scales good with haste).

Which stats does scale well with FB+MI+PC?

Thank you in advance!

[Frosted]

Sim the two combinations if the answer if not here or in dutch's thread.

You can find stat weights for each talent combination in the OP.

[gillon]

So I started to wonder about how PC would do without splitting ice on single target, since tall bosses basically mean you cannot cleave off PC. So I modified the APL to Fbomb on PC to take that into account, and ran talent sims:



TV > PC on single target if the boss is too tall. TV is potentially the most potent single target and multi-target talent!

That's really interesting. Gonna go ahead and switch to TV with this in mind since I feel like I almost never cleave properly with PC. Bosses being to tall, not static enough etc.

[perchon]

When we say insignia, are we talking about the Primal Combatant's Insignia of Dominance? The +145 Vers with Chance for 505 Int proc? 620 ilvl?

Is that still working as intented?

[Petfood101]

FO is dynamic, yes.

I was asking if FB was unless u meant FB when you said FO

[Komma]

FO is dynamic, yes.

I was asking if FB was unless u meant FB when you said FO

Frost Bomb is dynamic and uses your character stats from the moment of explosion.

[Petfood101]

Thank you Komma!

[Trustbucket]

So all MI/ TV builds are favouring haste over MS, is this because this profile uses un-glyphed IV with unlimited IV or is it better even without the unlimited IV? Also, around what haste percent does the infinite IV build become more optimal around? I haven't looked too much into the infinite IV trick so I'm curious, is it only good with more than one target or does it still come out ahead of IN/ PC at a certain haste value?

[Frosted]

it's favoring haste over MS because I have not updated the OP. The sims are done, I just need to host and post them up. It's favoring haste in the current ones up (which are not right) because it's using infinite IV. Infinite IV is never a DPS gain over glyphed, unless you are fighting 5+ targets and using TV (aka never). We actually just removed it from the default APL because of this. MS should be the best secondary for everything.

[Frosted]

OP updated with new trinket comparisons, and updated talent comparisons.

There are a HUGE number of combinations for both pre-raid and mythic highmaul only stuff. I will not be hosting the imagine (it'd be massive and look silly!). Instead, please view the HTML directly!