Frost Opener?

[Kalarr]

Assuming you're spec'd IN, MI, and PC and the fight will start with a bloodlust, how should we open up our rotation now.

In the past it was customary to cast MI prior to the start of the fight, but with the new MI doing much more damage, I assume it's better to wait a few seconds in?

[gameorg]

I can see your point about MI. But it actually was never said u use it before the fight. U actually use it in the exact moment of the pull (at best).

Iam not quite sure either but i would go like this:

Int-PrePotion
MI
--- Fight Starts
Bloodlust (i srsly suggest healer to cast it, since we have quite alot to chain up already)

Petattack+IV+Frostbolt+Waterjet+Frostbolt (maybe just 1 frostbolt if u feel like u wont get lance off before orb lands)
Frozen Orb
PC
IN
Lance until no more Procs left onto PC
Second IN

Not sure if i forgot something. However it could probably be that delaying first IN for like 5 sec until everything is setup is an actual DPS loss.

Iam looking forward for other suggestions, since mine is done just from common sense.

[whisperingsage]

Seems to be right, though depending on the pull you might not need to jet for a charge.

After you cast PC, 2FoF>2IN>FFB>FoF>IN. So basically just don't cap charges, and since IN is predictable, using the second FoF proc always comes first. FFB can proc more lances, which is why it's higher than a single FoF.

If you use jet on pull, I'd lance before using nova, as casting orb will give you another charge, and if it reaches the boss or crystal too soon it'll munch charges.

[Mageski]

I can see your point about MI. But it actually was never said u use it before the fight.

It was always optimal to use it before the fight in the past because it was more more global that you could execute before the fight actually started.

[Stardrake]

This has been bugging me for awhile, but is it really better to pop IV so early? You spend your next couple of GCDs basically setting up future damage with FO and placing your PC and it always felt like I wasn't getting a lot of utility out of IV during that period. What I've always done myself has been,

Precast Frostbolt
Prepot + MI after Frostbolt and just before pull
Fight starts
FO
PC
IV + first cast into PC

[ethixz]

This has been bugging me for awhile, but is it really better to pop IV so early? You spend your next couple of GCDs basically setting up future damage with FO and placing your PC and it always felt like I wasn't getting a lot of utility out of IV during that period. What I've always done myself has been,

Precast Frostbolt
Prepot + MI after Frostbolt and just before pull
Fight starts
FO
PC
IV + first cast into PC

afaik you should IV after your first cast into PC assuming your first cast is frost bomb.

[GrillEarl]

Does anyone have a TMW or Weakauras setup for Frost that they're willing to share to monitor cooldowns such as our opener?

[Carwey]

This has been bugging me for awhile, but is it really better to pop IV so early? You spend your next couple of GCDs basically setting up future damage with FO and placing your PC and it always felt like I wasn't getting a lot of utility out of IV during that period. What I've always done myself has been,

Precast Frostbolt
Prepot + MI after Frostbolt and just before pull
Fight starts
FO
PC
IV + first cast into PC

Yeah, there's no point in casting IV before you actually start casting damage dealing abilities. Using the same opener as you as well

[Wrooth]

Does anyone have a TMW or Weakauras setup for Frost that they're willing to share to monitor cooldowns such as our opener?

I've been using a modified version of this one:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/162 ... Mage-Auras" target="_blank

I pulled out all of the non-Frost auras, and added a couple by duplicating one of the middle ones and just moving things over a square.

[Rauq]

Does anyone have a TMW or Weakauras setup for Frost that they're willing to share to monitor cooldowns such as our opener?

This probably isn't quite what you're asking for, but might as well toss my WeakAuras out there. Sharing is caring. I just prefer this over stuff like all the CDs passing over a timeline etc.

Here's what my WeakAuras look like when it pops up in combat.


*Edit: Oh yeah, forgot to show it in the pic, but the CD icons show remaining time until they are up again ofc.*

***Note that these are made at 1920x1080, I assume it will look pretty weird on any other resolution so then you'd have to modify the size of the icons and reposition accordingly yourself.***

Here are the WeakAuras imports. I've split it into a group for more or less universal stuff and then stuff related to your specific spec. If you aren't sure how to import it, open the WeakAuras options in-game, go on the tab "New", find "Import" and just copy the code below for Mage Universal and Mage Frost one at time, accept the imports in the prompt you're given and they should be there.

Mage Universal (Racials, wpn/trinket proccs, MI, Cauterize etc)

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Mage Frost

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And if someone would want the same for Arcane here's some for that. Might need to be modded tho, haven't put too much time into this one.

Mage Arcane

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I've kinda half-assed one for Fire as well, but it's pretty much not been updated in WoD and with my new UI layout so it looks like shit quite frankly. If someone wants it to play with it and mod just gimme a shout.

If there's anything missing or not working, feel free to send a PM my way and I'll try to help. I'm a newbie though, so anything too complicated and you will have lost me

[monkeyofdoom]

Hi all,
I'm confused about IN.
Do people ever use 2 in a row to double the damage of the second IN?
People seem to be saying to use the second IN only after procs of FOF have been used.
shouldn't the double IN hit be absolutely massive?

[IamBBQ]

I don't think that's how IN works, but the tooltip could be ambiguous. "A primary enemy target will take 100% increased damage" seems to mean that your current target will take twice the damage from that one IN than all of the other enemies around it.

[monkeyofdoom]

Yep -you're right. Just tested it on a dummy - and I misunderstood the tooltip. thanks for the clarification

[Pappus]

I am currently opening like this:

-3 Prepot/MI
-Frostbolt
- combat
IV/HT Frostbolt (jet activated midway)
Frostbolt
FB
FO
PC
----
Spam

Although I strongly feel, that it isn't optimal. The main issue I have is with PC. It takes longer then the GCD for me to be attackable. Will test it on the dummy once more, but it is clunky.It is targetted right of the bat, but it feels like an eternity I have to wait.

So for now I will try to actually FoF the boss right after placing the crystal and then targetswap to the crystal while in the GCD.

[Mumrit]

This is what's working well for me using IN/MI/TV
Prepot at -1
MI at -0.5
Pet attack macro
Start FB
Waterjet
Second FB (usually trinkets have now procced
IV
IL(FoF)
IL(FoF)
FO (casted to allow for travel time)
IN
IN

Prioritizing FoF-IL > IN > BF > Frostbolt while IV is active.

The reason I prioritize FoF before BF with IV is to extend the duration on IV (through TV) by an additional two seconds. Even if TV is about to fall off, this lets me sometimes squeeze one extra BF in during IV. BF may proc FoF, but BF will not proc FoF. IN is a higher DPET than BF, so it gets put above it naturally.

Edit: Updating this a bit.

[nathyiel]

In is only better than BF-FFB because of our gear. With more gear (ie more mastery & haste), BF will be our highest priority.

But yes, FoF > BF because BF can proc FoF. I'm generally doing this when I have 2 of each and no Frozen orb:
FoF > BF > FoF > BF. If FO is ticking, I do : FoF*2 > BF > FoF or BF.

[Velerion]

Are we not still putting FB on the boss and cleaving off it to the PC?

[Komma]

Are we not still putting FB on the boss and cleaving off it to the PC?

"Cleaving off it to PC" - No, you can't Ice lance the boss and expect splitting ice to hit PC. That doesn't work.
"Cleaving off to it from PC" - Yes, this works. You can Ice Lance PC, and have splitting ice trigger Frost Bomb's explosion. This is a risky move though, because splitting ice cleave is not very reliable right now.

[Velerion]

So I feel dumb, I misunderstood that this whole time and have been trying to cleave off the boss with FB on. However this seems to cause FoF to not be spent when casting icelance and I've been getting some pretty ridiculous burst chain casting IL with residual fb and fo damage on pc. This clearly seems to be a bug but has anyone else seen it and is there possibly anything to it dps wise?

[Naotu]

This is what's working well for me using IN/MI/TV
Prepot at -1
MI at -0.5
Pet attack macro
Start FB
Waterjet
Second FB (usually trinkets have now procced
IV
IL(FoF)
IL(FoF)
IN
IN
FO
Prioritizing FoF-IL > IN > BF > Frostbolt while IV is active.

The reason I prioritize FoF before BF with IV is to extend the duration on IV (through TV) by an additional two seconds. Even if TV is about to fall off, this lets me sometimes squeeze one extra BF in during IV. BF may proc FoF, but BF will not proc FoF. IN is a higher DPET than BF, so it gets put above it naturally.

Why pet attack macro, and what exactly do you mean by it?